Johnson 33 help!?!....

satmando

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Recently purchased a Boat from a police Auction, 14' Riviera with a Johnson 33.
Took it out to the lake, seem to only run on an idle speed. The boat stalled several times as well. Now we are at a hard start and not willing to stay running stage.

Found the oil/gas mix was 20 to 1, book here says needs to be 50 to 1. I will fix that next, however it was also suggested to change out the plugs, wires, coil etc.

I'm a retired automechanic, so Im more than willing to do this work, however Im just curious if anyone would know where I could grab parts for this motor? Im in Hamilton, Ontario Canada, and willing to travel into the US if necessary for better prices/availability.

Any suggestions/help would be welcomed.. The spouse thinks I bought another doom and gloom project... She rides last when its on the lake next!
 

F_R

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

You can view parts lists and buy parts direct from BRP at http://shop.evinrude.com/
You didn't say what year your 33 is, but the BRP site goes back to 1968. For the most part they are all the same anyway.
 

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

Did you do any maintenance on that engine before using it?

At a minimum, you need a new impeller for the water pump, new plugs, and a carburetor cleaning and installation of a carburetor kit. These things need doing on any outboard with an unknown history.

But...before doing any of that, check the compression on both cylinders and the spark on both cylinders.

In the FAQ section here, there is a post on "Waking a Sleeping Outboard." You should read it, and follow the steps in it.

Finally, how did you determine that the fuel was mixed at 20:1? If it's old fuel, get rid of it and start fresh with the proper 50:1 mix.
 

satmando

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

I was told the oil/gas mix was 20:1 by the towing yard who started it to show it worked when the auction started. The impeller is in good shape. I have found out by the model number it's a 1970 motor.

I think my project will be to replace the plugs, wires and I was thinking coil as well or is it a magneto in this one?..

I'm going to read that article now, "Waking a Sleeping Outboard" Thanks!
 

jay_merrill

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Your background as an auto mechanic will serve you well in this project. Your motor is a very basic two-stroke motor and is relatively easy to work on.

You will also find that many of the parts for it are still available through your local OMC/BRP dealer. One of the reasons why this is true, is that the basic engine design was used for about 20 years, from the middle 50s through the middle seventies. Horsepower variations varied from 28hp to 40hp.

In addition to the items mentioned in JB's FAQ post, my advice is to start with a basic compression test. To me, this is the starting point of determining engine health. I would consider relatively even compressions (10% variation or less between the cylinders) of 90 to 110 psi to be acceptable on this motor. You might see higher numbers and the motor would probably run OK with lower numbers, but the range I am suggesting should result in an engine that performs pretty well. That assumes, of course, that there aren't other major engine issues.

After this, check the motor for obvious signs of overheating. Blackened paint on the powerhead is a near dead giveaway. Look for corrosion too - if your motor has "lived" in your area for its entire existence, chances are this won't be much of an issue.

The next thing on my list would be to drain the gearbox oil to check for presence of water and/or metal shavings. See JB's comments on some of the things to look for.

If this motor has an electric start, you already know if the starter is in serviceable condition, simply because you have used it.

All of the items that I have mentioned thus far are items that I believe to be the ones that will be generally the most expensive and/or difficult to deal with on a 1970 33hp OMC motor. If they all look pretty good, you enter the point at which going through the basic systems becomes the thing to do.

I usually start with fuel delivery or ignition. Rebuilding the carb is very easy and the rebuild kit should be readily available. You can also get a rebuild kit for the fuel pump. The pumps are kind of expensive for what they are, so this is a nice way to save a bit of money. The rebuild kits from OMC/BRP also come with a instruction sheet. On the ignition side, the motor is equally simple. It has a magneto system, which consists of the flywheel, a pair of coils, points and condensors. Nothing exotic in this motor.

The cooling system is about as simple as it gets. There is a drive shaft driven water pump in the lower unit, right above the gearbox. Once you drop the gearbox to gain access to the pump (attached to the GB), you can inspect the housing to determine if you need to replace just the impeller or the whole assembly. If you get the water pump rebuild kit, you will have a new housing, upper and lower water tube grommets, driveshaft key, and impeller.

Beyond these basic systems, there are a few issues to check and/or repair. Given your background, you could probably take the motor apart and figure out how to fix most of it just by general experience and intuitive mechanical sense. That said, having a service manual available will reveal information on a few items, such as the vacuum cutout switch that prevents engine over-run, and a few other items. You will also need the manual for lube info, specs, torque values, etc. Try to get an OEM service manual (possibly available right here at iboats) if you can - the aftermarket manuals aren't any better than they are in the automotive world.

One other thing that comes to mind is that you seem to have a "northern, fresh water motor." To me, those are the motors to get your hands on if you like old motors, because they don't have the corrosion problems that salt water motors have. They are also very often, relatively low hour motors due to short seasons.

You may just have your wife buying you dinner after you get this motor in shape! Once you do, you can also remind her that a new motor of similar horsepower would have costs thousands more!
 

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

1970 is a 50:1 87octane fuel:TC-W3 outboard motor oil. that is a great motor. if you plan to use it, and make it reliable, i would replace the coils, plug wire, condenser, points, do the carb, impeller and thermostat. $200-250. it will then be like a new motor and good for another 20-30 years. your point as gapped at .020, plugs should be Champion JC 4 gapped at .030, if you slow speed or troll alot, you can open them to .035 or .040 to cut down on slow speed fouling.
 

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

1970 is a 50:1 87octane fuel:TC-W3 outboard motor oil. that is a great motor. if you plan to use it, and make it reliable, i would replace the coils, plug wire, condenser, points, do the carb, impeller and thermostat. $200-250. it will then be like a new motor and good for another 20-30 years. your point as gapped at .020, plugs should be Champion JC 4 gapped at .030, if you slow speed or troll alot, you can open them to .035 or .040 to cut down on slow speed fouling.

TD is so correct, I had the same exact engine, once maintenance is done and maintained properly, it is a very dependable engine, plenty of time on the lake catching specks, pulling the kids on the tube.

Easy to work on, parts are available.

They do have a seal in the lower unit that is a pain to replace, so if you do have water intrusion in the LU this will require a special tool according to the manual to remove this seal.

Enjoy the engine.
 

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

Just picked up same motor mine may be a 71. Mine didn't have spark so i am replacing coils points condensers plug wires and kill switch harness. I cleaned my carb weird designed with the easy adjust controls (still easy). I didn't get a carb kit everything looked great. I will this winter as well as replace the impeller. I cleaned teh fuel pump as well it was a mess. I don't even know where ot get kits for these didn't see them on iboats.
Get your parts at iboats or ebay it will be more expensive at a shop if they can even get them. i just spent 120 on iboats because the form won me over.
Looks like a solid motor hope i have it running for the weekend. Get 80 or 90 weight gear oil at walmart. I also got 2 stroke mix their.
The flywheel is the hardest part but if you were a mechanic no problem, the top bolt is a 6 point 1 1/8 socket. You need a harmonic balance puller to get it off use 3 #8 bolts.
Hope this helps
Matt
 

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

Just ordered, 2 new coils, tune up kit, carb kit and a light for the boat, the light was missing on mine..

looking forward to trying the boat out one last time before storing it.
Hopefully everything works out and my winter will be filled with anxiety, waiting for the summer weather to go boating again!.

Thanks for everyones suggestions. I did order from iboats!. Bought the plugs and wires locally and will probably do the impeller in the winter.
 

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

Just ordered, 2 new coils, tune up kit, carb kit and a light for the boat, the light was missing on mine..

looking forward to trying the boat out one last time before storing it.
Hopefully everything works out and my winter will be filled with anxiety, waiting for the summer weather to go boating again!.

Thanks for everyones suggestions. I did order from iboats!. Bought the plugs and wires locally and will probably do the impeller in the winter.

Nice i just installed my coils points/condenser plug wires, and made a new kill switch harness. And new j6C plugs. Has a nice spark. I was so exited. Am getting gas tomorrow and taking it out hope it goes good. YA the most expensive thing was the plug wire and now i have an extra 6 feet.

The impellers an easy change out. Just make sure the water line goes back in and use some lock tite. When ganging oil don't touch Philips screw! i did and it took another 20 min to fix. Get a trans oil pump or something work great. You have to take off the coil/point plate to replace the plug wires and kill switch harness. Took me 4 hours to completely replace all the electrical + some other work on the boat. Hope to have fun tomorrow!!!:D
 

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will probably do the impeller in the winter.

Unless you are sure of the condition of the impeller, this is a bad idea. The fastest way to trash an otherwise healthy outboard motor is to let it overheat. Impellers are relatively inexpensive and changing one on this motor is very easy.
 

matt9923

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I got the motor working but now the rivers draining for 2 weeks :mad:
 

satmando

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Re: Johnson 33 help!?!....

What I meant by "Probably do the impeller over the winter" is I was thinking of storing the boat for the season, however the nice weather we're having... I really want to work on it now!. Im going to order an impeller as soon as I see stock.
 

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Just a thought on the gearbox lube - someone mentioned a tranny fluid pump. You don't need a pump to drain the gearbox. There are two screws in it for this purpose - both have relatively large heads, with straight slot tpe screwdriver indentations. The reason why there are two, is so that vacuum lock is not created when draining the fluid from the bottom of the gearbox.

Remove the lower screw, located on the forward, bottom portion of the lower gearbox casing half, with a drain pan underneath. The upper screw (starboard side of the upper GB casing, just above the cavitation plate) can then be opened to break the vacuum lock, and the gearbox will drain fully. These screws have crush washers under the head, so be sure to buy new ones before draining the lube and replacing it! Most of the time when water is found in gearbox lube, a bad seal at one or both of the screws is the culprit!

As was mentioned, there is also another screw in the lower casing half - it has the phillips type head and goes into the piece from the starboard side. This is a pivot pin for a shift lever, located inside of the gearbox. Don't remove this!
 

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Just a thought on the gearbox lube - someone mentioned a tranny fluid pump. You don't need a pump to drain the gearbox.

Ya but u need one to fill it up! dont fill it from the top. use the pump to fill it from the bottom
 

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I agree that you should fill from the bottom - good point. The lube that I use has the pump built into th container. I have also just used the squeeze tubes with the tapered tip.

For the OP, when you do this, the replacement sequence is the reverse of when you drain the GB - both plugs out to fill, fill from bottom. replace top plug to create vacuum, remove lube source from bottom hole & replace plug.
 
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