4.3l automotive in a boat??

mthieme

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Re: 4.3l automotive in a boat??

Bottom line. USCG regs do not even mention EFI, they were writen in the age of carbs.
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=276549&highlight=how+fast+v6&page=3

Yup.
We beat that one to death about a month or so ago...big time.

I've been watching this post looking for the gotchyas.
My neighbor has an old S10 with a 4.3 in it I've been eying up for a while now...waiting for the price to go down. The engine will need to be freshened up as it has 1/4 million miles on it.
I've developed an oil leak in my 'Ray. Can't seem to pinpoint it. I'm hoping it's the back of the intake, but fear it's the pan gasket. When she comes out of the water for the season, I'll see.
I figure if I have to pull the motor for a stinkin' pan gasket, may as well throw a fresh motor in (many thousands of hours and 19 years on current unit).
 

mylesm260

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mylesm260, I would like to see some pic's of that if you have some. I could see where that would be safer than the marine setup, its like a sealed system. I would thing its a lot safer than the carb's that are used on sooo many boats. I do have one of these engines. It came out of 2001 Chevy blazer, with only 32,000 miles. I just have to figure out the wireing issues. the o2 sensores are the least of the wories. You just need a few resistors too handle that, let me know if you have any pic!!


Yup, I don't mine snapping some pics....

Here's some of what I learned doing this swap...

#1. The blazer and Astro keep their ECU's under the hood. The connectors and ECU itself is completly water-poof and marine worthy already.

#2 The fuel system from the installer's point of view is a simple in and out on the top of the manifold, plus you can salvage the stainless fuel lines out of the doner vehicle, and use them for the connection. I had high PSI hydrolic hose cripped to the factory stainless lines..... Hydrolic fluid is pretty much one of the most corosive things you could think of... those hoses are tough as holy hell.



So I supplied the engine with high pressure fuel, connected the factory wiring harness, supplied +12 to the correct pins on the ECU, and cranked it... it started right up.

Then all I Did was re-route and shorten the wiring harness. Do it one wire at a time, and you won't have to worry too much about the pin out. Solder and heat shrink tubing are your friend. Then make sure you tape and re-cover the harness in it's plastic shroud. Make sure there is no rubbing, or you could get a spark.

I ran a relay in series with the +12 to the ignition coil for the shift interupt. You put tension on the shift cable, the relay triggers, the coil no longer gets +12, the engine stutters and your shift completes. Works perfectly.


And of course as we ALL know...

Marine starter
Marine Alternator
Marine Dizzy cap (my OEM one looked sealed, so I didn't bother looking, but I feel I have to mention this)
Marine casting plugs ("frost" plugs)
Marine head gaskets & Marine water pump (didn't bother with this, waiting for them to leak, my boat never sees salt water, been two seasons so far, no problems yet)

and yes, while it is not marine rated, I believe it to be way safer than a carb setup. Just don't be stupid with the actual fuel lines and pump either...

A lot of my fuel fittings were NPT.. I discovered that gas eats teflon tape... Get yourself some thread sealant... from the same guys who make locktight

Why do you think you need a resistor if you have no o2 sensors? o2 sensors fail ALL the time. you can pretty much bet that unless you're in a state that does emision testing, 75% of the 4.3's on the road are already running with blown o2 sensors. Just leave those circuits 100% open. Your engine will still run perfectly, you will just loose the ability to go into closed loop mode. Since no boat made before 2005 or so has closed loop anyway, your not going to be missing much.

The EFI system without the o2 sensors is still WAY WAY more accurate than any carb. These are MAF systems. Very accurate, even without o2 feedback.


Only REAL thing you will notice is if you plug an OBD2 code reader into the harness, the computer will ***** about the o2 sensors and heaters missing, that's all.
 

mylesm260

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Yup.
We beat that one to death about a month or so ago...big time.

I've been watching this post looking for the gotchyas.
My neighbor has an old S10 with a 4.3 in it I've been eying up for a while now...waiting for the price to go down. The engine will need to be freshened up as it has 1/4 million miles on it.
I've developed an oil leak in my 'Ray. Can't seem to pinpoint it. I'm hoping it's the back of the intake, but fear it's the pan gasket. When she comes out of the water for the season, I'll see.
I figure if I have to pull the motor for a stinkin' pan gasket, may as well throw a fresh motor in (many thousands of hours and 19 years on current unit).


Let me just say, going from a 2bbl carbed odd fire 4.3 to the even fired EFI is a night and day difference...

When I did the swap, I was running a 19P prop... 4400 on the 2bbl odd fired.

First time out with the new engine, same prop, I was hitting my automotive rev limit at 5400 RPMS!

now I run a 23P and still hit 4900 with just me in the boat.



Remember too in the blazer and astro, those motors are rated for peak HP @ 4400.. absolutly peftect tunning for a boat already.
 

mthieme

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Thanks much.
I will probably only use the block and heads (with new innards as needed).
Everything else, I'll transfer over.
This isn't a go fast boat. I typically cruise not more than 3500.
She will do 34 knots as is. I'm good with that.
I have wanted to try a 23P on her though (usually run a 21P).
 

mylesm260

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Check your years of engines in this case... a couple thing to check (have changed over the years)

#1. Flywheel size (12 vs 14 inches or something like that)
#2 Starters (see #1)
#3 Intake bolt patterns (vortec VS non vortec)
#4 accessories (serpentine belt dive VS V belt drive)
#5 Odd fire VS Even fire (your distibutor would have to be changed if your old engine was odd fire and your new engine was even fire)

For everything listed here, my stuff changed.
 

mthieme

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My biggest worry would be the flywheel.
Are the different sizes interchangeable? Obviously this would impact the starter.
Does the harmonic balancer match the flywheel?
 

mylesm260

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Not sure about your year, but I know on the 01' vortec I'm using, the flywheel and front pully are both neutral ballanced... changing them is not a problem


In terms of using a small flywheel on an engine that originally had a larger flywheel, I don't think they interchange.... I believe the rear oil seal is different....


And remember... your coupler mates to your flywheel... depending on what kind of coupler you have (triangular vs round) you may need a new coupler aswell....


my doner vehicle was an auto (like most 4.3 vehicles are) so I had to source a flywheel from a wrecker... Since the flywheel was used, it was really cheap (remember you have to resurface them when you change your clutch in the automotive application, so used ones are dirt cheap)
 

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thanks.
neither the one in my boat or the donor is a Vortec, they're both just plain Jane 4.3's.
Hopefully I won't run into many issues.
 

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If your going to go through the trouble of rebuilding it, I sugest you source some vortec heads and a vortec marine intake.

You should be able to throw your marine carb onto the marine intake.. and the vortec heads flow a LOT better than the non vortec ones.... you should be able to pick up a set of heads for really cheap.....

search the forums for 4.3 vortec heads swap... I'm sure lots of people have done it before.....


I mean your going to have to pull your old heads off ANYWAY... 50 bucks for a set of used heads and 100 bucks for a marine intake is a small price to pay on top of the rebuild (get the used heads rebuilt, just as you would have your doner engine's heads.)

I sugest you go to www.autozone.com and plug in the information of your doner vehicle... then search for parts and diagrams on it... you should be able to tell the size of the doner vehicle's flywheel...

If they're both non vortec, I think you're in luck..

Oh and when you source your new bearings... make sure you get "tri metal" bearings.... they are illegal in some states, I believe so ebay's a good source...


IF you havn't spun your bearings in your motor yet, why not start with your existing motor as a core?
 

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I'll be working on a budget. A couple hundred doesn't sound hateful though.
We'll see. Any particular vehicles that had Vortec's I might keep an eye out for?
 

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mid 90's 4.3's and on were all vortec...

Where do you live? I'm on the west coast and have a spare set in my garage...

They would need a valve grind and to be resurfaced though.....
 

mthieme

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Thanks, but I'm on the east coast.
Although it might be worth shipping.
What do you need for 'em?

I thought they were something special - only in HO cars.
 

mylesm260

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believe me, they are not worth nearly enough to ship...

Go call your local wrecker and ask them what they want for a set of 4.3 vortec heads... I bet it would be way less than shipping.


Ask around on the forums for a used vortec intake....
or check ebay
 

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It would be tempting to throw a Quadrajunk on...I have a pile of them.
I appreciate the info and encouragement. You've given me something to think about.
First things first. I need to see about my current oil leak. Hopefully it's the rear rubber piece of the intake gasket which of course is a relatively minor job.
thanks
 

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Got a dry warm place to do an engine rebuild?

you've got lots of hours on that motor, but it hasn't spun a bearing, I'd say pull the motor you've got, thank you're lucky stars you havn't spun a bearing after than many hours, and rebuild it


Throw your heads in the garbage... get your crank polished, cylinders cleaned up, size your bearings and rings, and throw on a set of vortec heads with a new intake and one of those carbs you've got laying around....


Save you from having to give money to your neibour for a truck you don't really want....
 

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Gotta agree - if you are going throught the trouble, get the vortec heads, you will not regret it. The heads alone are worth 30hp on a 4.3. Add a good intake and a 4bbl and you will net 210-220hp at the prop.

A mention above they are not hard to find. GM made the switch in '96. In '96-7 both the old and new heads were still available, but after that it was all vortecs. They are real easy to identify(no you cannot read the valve cover - many have said "vortec" since the '80's), just count the number of bolt hole for the intake manifold. 4 bolt holes per head = vortec, 6 bolt holes per heads = old style.
 
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