oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

[jonesg]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

watch a few videos, getting access to make the repair is the only thing.
then just repair the repair.

http://www.fiberglasssite.com/servlet/the-109/FREE-FIBERGLASS-HOW-TO/Detail

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

watch a few videos, getting access to make the repair is the only thing.
then just repair the repair.

http://www.fiberglasssite.com/servlet/the-109/FREE-FIBERGLASS-HOW-TO/Detail

good like there jonesg !!! John

 

[cdnfthree2]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Well I stopped by the shop today and my boat was lifted up on to stands and they gave me a dolly to look at what tey'd found. They crack that we've all seen, and two more. One was a little straight 4 incher that was dripping and another that looked like the boat had been bounced off of a rock(kinda webbed looking) about 6inch dia. in total. Also dripping.

$2,180 for everything including a new brass drain fitting . I asked if they planned on removing the deck and repairing the inside and they said "no, you don't want us to do that $$. I asked if that would compromise the integrity of the repair and the said "Not neccessary, It isn't soft at all. We will grind it down to alomst nothing". It would be warrantied, "The reason I can waqrranty it is that it isn't going to come apart". Is this a statement as to their skill or just a general property of fiberglass repair? They also said they would match the gelcoat

My first thoughts were that if I didn't need to get inside then I should definately do it myself. My family however (inlaws, wife, and parents)believes that I need to focus my time to my core competencies and get it done by them. I said "no way am I going to spend 2k on that boat when my friends on iboats will teach me how". Family believes that I can do anything but don't want me to take a chance with their safety since it would be my first time glassing. Then I went to visit my mom and she offered to repair it as an early/only Christmas present for the next several years. I told her that I appreciated it but with boats, it doesn't matter how much you throw at it today, tommorrow may bring a new major problem and that money would be lost.

I guessI need to think about it a little more. What do ya'll think? Would it be wrong to let someone else pay that much for a repair? I would have difficulty with space to work on it, but, I'm also certain that the kid I saw glassing the mega pontoon at the shop would probably be the one doing the work. Decisions...

 

[J. Mark]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Maybe you should ask the naysayers to read everything you have been reading and watch the videos etc. I suspect their fear and objection comes from a lack of knowledge.

Better yet, get them to help

You can do it.

 

[jonesg]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Maybe if you quit thinking out loud around people who don't have any faith in you...they would learn to have more faith in you. They are picking up on your nervousness and shooting it back at you.

I'm a big believer in short cuts and I take em all, but that repair needs to be done from the inside, the exterior work is just cosmetic.
Those cracks are hull failure, serious but simple to fix from the inside.

You obviously need some encouragement to do it yourself,
so JUST DO IT.

Look at all the posts, none of us work in a boatyard.
I'm a chef.

 

[oops!]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

couple of things here......

the shop said repair it from the outside only?......and 2100 for an outer only repair?......there rippin ya !


read redfurys post again where he talks about the method of repair.


now.....as far as fixing it........if you want a fun project......you dont mind getting dirty and dusty.......if you want to learn about boats....

then do it.....

as far as the cost verses diy........
its so easy, i cant imagine anyone paying for it unless they had no time and lots of money.

 

[cdnfthree2]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Well, I will measure the trailer width next. I have 114" pathway to the back yard after pulling rose bushes etc. 96" beam width or less i believe, so it will close. I will look into a respirator if neccissary. Wil simple dust masks do? I may be asking for help along the way as far as tapering and lay up goes. I already have one question based on the videos. One video showed all pieces of cloth being done at once. I will be working upside down. Will it still work that way? If I do pick it up, I'll get new pics and measurements of all the areas so we can put together a shopping list. Thanks

 

[redfury]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

A regular dust mask won't be sufficient when grinding. Living in a bubble and having your arms sticking out of it would be the least itchy/harmful, but that isn't going to happen. Read the post about grinding ( third sticky down ) and run with it.

As far as glassing upside down, that would only be hard if you were trying to shape the hull. That work will be done primarily from the inside. When you get to the outside of the hull repair, you'll build up the shape with carefully planned cuts of fiberglass to layer up to the right thickness, then longboarded smooth, faired and gelcoated. Oops! has a really thorough section on that part in his hull extension thread.

Here's another thought. Ask those guys what it would cost to fair and gelcoat the area if you did the repair yourself ( obviously they would not offer the same warranty ). It would be similar to hanging your own sheetrock, and then having a professional mud and tape it.

 

[keepNitreel]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

I will look into a respirator if neccissary. Wil simple dust masks do?

Look at all the $$ your saving by doing it yourself, get a respirator there under $50. Don't go cheap way when it comes to your health, Fiberglass will stay in your lungs forever and cause you problems down the road. This is a job I know you can do and you got the best help in the world. When your done with this knowone at home will doubt your skills again Plus I'm betting $50 that you can do it, cause my wife say's you should let the shop do it

 

[cdnfthree2]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

I'm curious as to redfury's suggestion to have them estimate the fairing and gel coat. Is this difficult? I haven't read up un the gelcoat but the "peanutbutter" looks easy. I use bondo cosmeticly on a daily basis on radii and curves and usually require little or no sanding afterwards (seems similar). My biggest fear is cutting out the floor(and getting it back together pretty) and getting the hull up high enough to work under it. It seems that after all those hurdles are overcome I may be paying about the same price if I place any value on my time. --gas tank removal, electronics removal, control cables and engine wiring, center console, jacks, blocks, foam, glass, resin, pb, mask, etc, etc..

My wife has admitted that she just doesn't want my weekends tied up. possible mind manipulation, not sure. It is close to shopping season. Can I just say for the record that this decision is stressing me out. I feel like I cried wolf way too soon and that if I don't do it myself I'll be loosing the faith and support of my iboat peers. I don't want that, but I do want her back on the water quickly too. If I let them do it I have a warranty and the peace of mind it brings but it will only be done from the outside. They said that the warranty doesn't cover logs but will cover and chop I can put it in. Hair falling out as I type. I need to make up my mind quickly though. Maybe I'll have a beer or two tonight and try to get a grip. At this point I'm looking at other projects here as timeline guides and trying to estimate how long it will really take me.

I really wanted to believe that an exterior patch was good enough and was about to get at it. Since I'm obviously such a chicken, I might get another estimate. Perhaps someone will do both for same price.

 

[keepNitreel]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

if I don't do it myself I'll be loosing the faith and support of my iboat peers.

That will never happen, this is the place to offer you solutions & help in making the best decision for your particular problem. Remember you are the one that has to make the final decision & no matter what it is, iboats will always be here for you

Just change your screen name
Just Kidding

 

[redfury]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Honestly, if you feel that the effort to put into the boat and the material and time lost is worth more to you than the 2100 put into it to have it repair "professionally", then absolutely do it. There's no lost honor in having a shop do it. However, get another estimate. Do yourself at least that favor, because going to the first guy and taking his word for it and going with him is a 50/50 shot at best.

If this shop is reputable, they will have before and after shots of their work...some form of documentation. Ask them exactly what the would do to fix this area...what kind of glass are they going to use....do they use epoxy or polyester resins in their repairs. Get to know them and get to know the work they do. This is a situation where you need to scrutinize the people that are going to do the work...you need to trust this boat when it is fixed.

The reason I suggested seeing what they would charge for the finish work is that it is more time intensive, especially if it's going to be fixed and unnoticeable when it is done. If you've never worked with Gel Coat before, then you could end up with a finished product that you aren't happy with. All comes down to what you think and what you know you can do.

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Hay like i said before we will be here for you if you want to do it and if you dont !!! I know how your feeling and kind of what your thinking , [ you like being married ] lol and if the wife is going to give you a hard time of it , theres no shame at all if you have them do it !!!!!!

I would get a second quoit on her and i really dont like the idea of them doing it all from the outside !!!


So its up to you , we are here for you one way or the other , and there is not a bit of shame here just friends !!! John

 

[cdnfthree2]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Ok. I found this guy www.marinedoctor.net who is within 60 miles of me who said he'll repair all three areas for $850, or do all three and regelcoat the entire bottom for $950. I asked how he'd go at it and he said Dynaglass, resin, cloth, resin, etc.. Never heard of that dina or dyna glass but I like the pricing alot better. What do ya'll think.

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Ok. I found this guy www.marinedoctor.net who is within 60 miles of me who said he'll repair all three areas for $850, or do all three and regelcoat the entire bottom for $950. I asked how he'd go at it and he said Dynaglass, resin, cloth, resin, etc.. Never heard of that dina or dyna glass but I like the pricing alot better. What do ya'll think.

thats a really good price !! the web site is to the point !! wish he showed some of his work !! go talk to him and see how you feel about him and his work !!! If youlike and trust him i would say go for it !!! John

 

[oops!]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

i still beleive that the repair needs to be done from the inside as well as the out side.....

but if you want to have him do it.....that price is getting better.

you could allways do the inside after.

 

[cdnfthree2]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

i still beleive that the repair needs to be done from the inside as well as the out side.....

but if you want to have him do it.....that price is getting better.

you could allways do the inside after.

That oops!, is a wonderful idea! What I think is
1. since the exterior work is generally cosmetic if the inside work is done correctly then
2. if he plans to make this warrantable by only doing the exterior, he'll probably do a super good job at that part.
3. I can do the inside cuz noone will ever see it so it don't matter what it looks like. (good practice area for the future)

Everyone wins! I don't have to lift the boat so my lack of shop doesn't hit as hard. Doing the inside work I will rely on my carpentry skills mainly and only a small amont of glassing.
I hope when I meet this guy and see his work that I still feel as good as do now.

The only way this could get any better is if I find that I can glass the inside by simply removing the floor where the 35gallom tank is. It might require some reaching, but it'd save alot of work.

 

[redfury]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

If you can, take a picture of the inside of the boat where the damage is, and we can give you a ball park as to what you'd need to do to access and repair it properly. Might be easy, might not...won't know until we get some eyeballs on it

Glad to see you found a more reasonable price, but you want to be wary of lowball offers too...

However, if he does a good job from the outside, and you tackle the inside, what he is going to do is give you an awesome form to work on...basically all you are going to do is add some glass to stiffen up and strengthen the area...you won't have to worry about dealing with the contours of the hull and the other hurdles you already know you would have.

I'd say that's a win/win scenario.

 

[cdnfthree2]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

He will send me pics when he gets to office tommorrow. If they're good, I'll make the trip. His prices came from a fiberglassing shop chart that he uses everytime based on hole sizes so I'm hoping he knows his stuff and the other guys just didn't want to do it.

 

[jonesg]

Re: oops, jcsercsa, neone, how bad is it really?

Its got to be done from the inside, what you have is very likely not limited to cosmetic damage, its structural.

I am personally against the idea that theres only one way to do things but...
if you damage the frame on your car but only fix the dented fender...
yeh it might LOOk great.

..and you may well have some stringer damage to fix.
Its not a big deal, unless you don't do it.