Cleaning / waxing boat

Rookiepb

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I am new to the forum and have a couple of questions.

I just bought a 1990 Maxum Cruiser that is need of a good cleaning and waxing. Someone told me white vinegar and water, half and half would be good for the cleaning. There seems to be these black specs, that when removed leave a small stain. The boat is white with a maroon stripe that is faded, hows the best way to get it back looking good? Any special wax recommended

Also the guy I bought the boat from said I didn't need to run the battery charger while hooked up to shore power. New batteries seems to work great.
Just seems they would need a charge. The boat is in a slip.

He said he never winterrized the boat couse it doesn't get that cold down here in Texas.....seems like i should do something.

Does anyone know where i can get an owners manual for this boat?

Thanks for the support and answers
 

mthieme

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

I use toilet bowl cleaner with bleach.
Nothing I have is worth putting wax on - can't help you there other than to tell you that my neighbor uses McGuire's 4- step on his stuff and looks good.
 

gcboat

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

First off welcome to the "zoo". You're going to find a lot of different ideas on the proper way to buff and clean your boat - not to mention the products to use. I'm thinking that there should be specific thread designed to address this one issue - but it's so much fun to learn everyone else's thoughts.
My take on the issue is that vinegar and water might be great for cleaning a coffee pot I just can't see it doing a lot for fading gel coat. I've never tried it - never heard of anyone doing it.
There are a lot of folks that use the newer polymer type finishes, i.e. Poli Glow, etc. You might want to do a Google search on them. But coming from the old school there's nothing like a sand, buff and wax to bring back the original lustre and shine.
Now, on your product selection it is not necessary to use "boat" stuff. The gel coat will respond to most all types of restoration materials that will be safe for either finishes.
 

a70eliminator

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

I totally agree with above post, I asked the same question and got remedys anywhere from rubbing with vaseline (lol) to mixing up of batch of turpentine vinigar and tobasco sauce, but at the end of the day all I really needed was a good variable speed buffer and some compound formulated for restoring gel coat, I think the buffer was key, no way could I have done it with elbow grease alone just the corners alone was armnumbing enough.
 

marine4003

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here's the "old school" method.ive done this to every boat i have ever owned with great results_ get a variable speed buffer,a good one. Go to an automotive paint supply store and buy 3M buffing wheel w/ Velcro pads,buy 3M Superduty compound...3M Perfection polish,then good Marine wax..( meguires,collinite) wash the boat w/ Dawn dish detergent using a good medium bristle brush,rinse..out of the sun apply compound using a wet sponge,apply liberally,do small 3x3 sections at a time,until entire hull is compounded..wash/rinse..follow with polish...wash/rinse..wax two coats,colored areas wax 3 coats.
i know there are all these "magic" compounds out there and some do work but the ONLY way to get a good long lasting shine is the above method,used by all boat detailers in my area..and not much is harsher than a good Carolina Summer.
 

BillP

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

Old school here too. Nothing brings back gelcoat except compounding. It takes stains and all off. Use coarse, med and fine compounds and follow up with a polish to bring the highest shine out...then wax over it. For wax, nothing shines like carnuba...even the new polymers don't shine as much BUT they are easier to use. Whatever you "wax" with, be sure to use a real boat soap for cleaning. It won't strip the wax off. Your household detergent will take it off asap.

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Rookiepb

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

Hey all

Thanks for the replies, looks like i got a little work to do, but the end result should be great. I got a buffer, so here we go. :D
 

gcboat

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You may have a buffer but DO BE CAREFUL!! First off you should compound only with a slow speed buffer ( 1750 to 2500 rpm's ). Your choice of pads is extremely important. A wool pad will build up a lot of heat if not used properly and will cause some really nasty burn marks on the gel coat. Remember that the gel coat is the thickness of an egg shell ( actually thinner )- you don't have a lot of room for a screw up. If you burn through it and you start seeing gray - well it's too late by then.
3M has a different selection of foam pads that are very safe and easy to work with. There are different colors signifying different applications but you should just be concerned with the white and black ones. To the best of my knowledge they are all Velcro backed so you might need to spring for their Velco backing pad. Here's one link I ran across - there are many more.
http://www.levineautoparts.com/buffers.html?gclid=CKX3j8GAj5cCFQJ-xgodHnxifg
 

NSBCraig

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

What is the black stuff?

I know it's kind of a stupid question cause it's probably one of the things your asking.

i don't really know what all it could be, but I can sure tell you that there's got to be a few things out there I would make me pause before I buffed on it.

Now I'm not saying that I wouldn't crack open a cold one and say oh well and just go for it.

You said they leave a stain huh?

Not sure on what to try.

Also is the stripe gellcoat, vinyl or paint?
 

Cole_l

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

I am new to the forum and have a couple of questions.

I just bought a 1990 Maxum Cruiser that is need of a good cleaning and waxing.
Thanks for the support and answers

Vinegar and water actually works pretty well with lake water and trailering as it cuts the calcium prior to its "setting up" assuming its used while the boat is still just off the ramp and still wet. It does seem to eliminate "spotting" from mineral deposits, but it of no use as a product that will restore faded gel coat.

Cleaning gel coat that is in relatively good condition, even if faded is pretty straightforward.

First is to get the gel coat glossy by using the least destructive products first - starting with gel coat cleaner ala Collinite 920 liquid gel coat cleaner - a non abrasive chemical cleaner designed to yield a clean surface - and a glossy one. I suspect that your black specs will come off easily with a good non abrasive cleaner. If you need more shine, then the next least damaging process is mild polishes and compounds. I use 3M and you can buy a compounding/polishing kit that contains 3M Boat Compound and finishing polish. They are best applied with a rotary buffer - such as Makita or comparable using wool pads. Wool pads are usually best because you need some heat for polishes to work and wool is pretty safe on a boat because gel coat is thicker than paint on a car. Gel coat is bedded on top of resin which spreads heat rather than generating hot spots as can be done on a car finish. You apply the compound or polish until the surface is shiny covering about 2 -3 square feet at a time at a relatively slow speed as recommended on the product's label. You can check the temperature of the wool pad and surface any time to verify that you have mild heat and not hot surface or pad. As the polish breaks down, you can observe the shine develop and heighten. It is almost impossible to generate enough heat by hand or with an an orbital polisher to activate the polish and thats why gel coat polishing requires a rotary for best results. Concerns about burnishing are minimal on gel coat using good wool pads such as Makita or Maguires. Just check temperature periodically as you work and don't rush. You cover a lot of ground quickly with a rotary even if it seems slow at first.

The last process if polishing fails is wet sanding starting with 500-800 grit using finer and finer sandpaper finishing up with 1500-2000 grit before entering the polishing phase just described. Wet sanding is usually done by hand using a small block since you can easily remove too much gel coat using a machine polisher. The same basic 2-3 square foot section approach is best and going slowly and carefully is important.

The objective of polishing is to get a clean and shiny surface that can then be maintained using a lasting surface protection. Keeping it sealed and shiny depends primarily on a weather proof sealer with good UV protection plus a COVER. LSP's help but a cover is best and keeping your boat covered and out of direct sunlight is always desirable. Its the same reason that garaging a car is best to protect its finish.

There are several good waxes that do a fair to good job. Collinite ranks well, but will not protect you for a whole season in hot climates and must be reapplied. I like Collinite and use it on areas of the boat that I can reach and reapply easily. Better alternatives include the polymer sealants and waxes which CAN last a whole season. Some people Use Klasse, some Zaino, often topped with Collinite hoping to yield a durable UV protecting layer. I suggest Kare 1000P - a polymer "wax" that is all synthetic and sublimates only above 250 degrees. It gives a Florida or Arizona boat a fighting chance since never does the hull get to 250 degrees. Its cheap at around $20 a tin which should do an entire boat with two coats. And it layers well. A couple of coats will get you through a several months and it looks as good as Collinite.

Waxes can easily be applied by hand as they don't require much effort. They can be applied by machine - usually a random orbital polisher which works well. I apply wax by hand on my colored sections and by random orbital on the long flat white sections including the bottom which I get lying on my back under the trailer. The places I can't reach I finish up by hand. Wiping is done by hand and you can final buff your hull and topsides with a rotary polishing wool bonnet if you really want shine. Buffing usually shows the flaws and you can then hit the flaws with an additional coat of wax to make the final finish perfect.

Next year, all you need to do is use the cleaner to get a clean surface and reapply the wax. I usually find some spots that need polishing, but most of the boat is just fine with cleaner only. Its also easy to apply more wax during the season assuming the boat is clean. I usually hit top sides as it needs it based on water beading. Keeping it shiny is a lot easier than getting it there the first time.

Another final choice short of refinishing if chalking has gone too far is a product called Polyglow - I have no personal experience, but it appears to work well on surfaces above the waterline and can be an option for some. Below the waterline, it may be problematical based on user comments that I have read. That aside, people seem pretty happy with it on older boats. A Google search will yield some personal experiences using that product.

Regards from Arizona,

Cole
 

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

Something that a friend of mine told me, is to get a 12 oz. spray bottle.

Put one tea spoon of white vinegar, 8 oz. of simple green, and the rest water, and spray your engine/outdrive with it, let it stand for about 20 seconds, and rinse.

It will keep the "gray color" off of your outdrive/engine. Especially on a Merc.
 

lkbum

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Re: Cleaning / waxing boat

I would be willing to bet the black "specs" that leave a stain are spider droppings. You said the boat was in a slip, look above the spot where the specks occur (you will find them concentrated in areas on the boat) and you will see spider webs. In North Georgia, Brown spiders ( I don't know their official name) are a real pain in this regard. The spiders thrive because of the bugs attracted to dock lights and they feast. I clean the boat as often as possible to keep this "crap" from leaving a stain. The longer it is left on the boat, the deeper the stain. I hit the underside of my dock rook with "spider" strnght insectiside from Home Depot a couple of times during the summer. But spiders are tough and the treatment is only temporary.
 

mphy98

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Wow so much extra work. Try 3m fiberglass finisher and restorer. Put it on with a small electric wax applier, and hand rub off. I have done this with some pretty faded gel coat and it works wonders. After that i just use a high concentrate of carnuba wax. I have not used a high speed buffer or sanded one yet. I even used it on my motor home where the gel coat got a little tacky looking. works great and when you have to wax a 35 foot motor home, you want to do as little labor as possible!! :D
 
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