58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

[coolguy147]

well i got bad and good news. the guy doesnt seem in a big hurry to sell the motor. instead i some how convinced him to get the motor running now. i checked the gear oil and was just old with no water intrusion. i refilled it with the right oil but i didnt put on washers and i told the owner that. checked compression with compression lever disabled and one spark plug out and compression in other hole. i got 85-95 psi ont he top piston with 5-7 pulls and did it three times. the bottom was 75-85 psi witht he same thing as the top cylinder. then i checked the t stat. its needs replacing of course but i found tiny spicks of corrsion on the tube vertcial with the block. im sure its ok.

well he wants me to get it running now and he offered to pay for all the parts and ill see what i get for it. well i told him the thigns that need to be replaced is the water pump impeller carb rebuild and cleaning. check for spark etc possible rebuild of parts on stator. i todl the fuel pump can wait and well just use the bulb to act as a fuel pump. so he said just to get it running for now. i didnt give him a price but i also told him that it will cost aorund 250-350$$ to get it running in tip top condition. the coils points and condoesores might be ok since the fact that he bought the motor form a guy who restored it not sure when but the coils etc might be ok then just cleaning and adjusting of points

whats u guys think. i mean i guess its ok that he wont sell it yet but al least i have something to work on =D. he said he might let me use it anytime i want. and he might move in a year or too so he might give it to me for free

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

oh ya i frogot to add that i can find out if its truly a 59 if it has two copper water tubes and one tube is the 58. is this right?


for now im gonna stick my gut with 59

 

[Sea18Horse]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

I think it sounds like a fun project. I mean obviously it's better when you're working on your own stuff. But still, it gives you a project to work on, you get more experience, and he gets his motor all fixed up. Everybody wins!

I don't know anything about the water tubes though.

....................Todd

 

[F_R]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

All 1959 35hp motors have two water tubes. In 1958, only the Super Sea Horse had two water tubes. So, that is not an identifying factor.

The model number will tell the story. Also, the 1958 had a great looking gold and chrome trimmed metal lift-off hood and the 1959 had a fiberglass looks-like-an-upside-down-tub lift-off hood.

"Might" let you use it, "might" give it to you. Hm.m.m.m, I could have retired early if I had all the promises I've received like that.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

being one of our teenage members, this will give you some good experience. that will go a long way in your future. i really learned a lot when i redid my 58 35. that has rolled over into repairing many more motors.

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

like i siad he might be moving in a year or two and he doesnt have a trailer for the boat so idk lol.


whats u guys think about compression u think the numbers r ok? i think they r



oh ya can u guys give me the part numbers to these parts i need?

water impeller
carb rebuild kit( with the float and i guess ill have to go see brp?)

anyother ways on identifying the motor for which eyar it is?
it has a fiberglass hood by the way

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

All 1959 35hp motors have two water tubes. In 1958, only the Super Sea Horse had two water tubes. So, that is not an identifying factor.

The model number will tell the story. Also, the 1958 had a great looking gold and chrome trimmed metal lift-off hood and the 1959 had a fiberglass looks-like-an-upside-down-tub lift-off hood.

"Might" let you use it, "might" give it to you. Hm.m.m.m, I could have retired early if I had all the promises I've received like that.

like i said in another thread the model numbers said its a 58 but it looks just like a 59?

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

i remove both plugs when doing compression check, lets you pull harder, compression is within guidelines, as they need to be within 10% of each other. after you get it running, i'm sure it will need a decarb, to breakdown old built up carbon in the motor.

Decarb, take a can of seafoam put 3/4 of it in the gas tank, with only 1 gallon of premixed gas. put the rest in a spray bottle. start the engine, and let it come up to temperature. then remove plugs, and them some real good shot of seafoam into the cylinders, replace plugs, let sit 15 minutes. restart, and spray the rest of the seafoam into the carbs, so the the motor almost stalls, wait and repeat until the seafoam is gone.then take for a wide open spin. then put in new plugs, ad premixed gas to the tank, and take it for a wide open throttle spin. it is going to smoke like a house on fire, during this process.

afterwards compression.recheck

you have a PM.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

yea, I agree it should be a fun project, especially on his nickle.
Who knows, he may sell/give it to you sooner after he sees the motor all torn apart.

 

[F_R]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

Concerning the year, it sounds like some parts swapping has been going on. Or model number swapping. It really doesn't make a whole lot of difference because under the hood they are both very similar.

so ur a teen ager, huh? ur texting irritates us old f**ts. That's ok, someday ull hav to gro up and lern how to communicate. Or els god hep us.

 

[jbjennings]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

I personally think your compression numbers aren't good, but as TD said, you need to be doing your check with both plugs out, and pulling until you get the highest reading, hopefully that will come with the same number of pulls or thereabouts and I'll bet you'll get a much higher measurement.
I also hope you're less accident prone than I am. I hate to work on someone else's stuff for fear I will make the usual blunders on it and lose money out of my own pocket fixing what I broke. Should be a fun learning experience but don't expect to get the motor once it's fixed!:redface:
GOod luck, it's fun learning, eh??? Don't we all wish we could spend a few days watching F-R in action!! I'd love to see at least part of his bag of tricks..
JBJ​

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

well the guy is like 85. real nice. he was a doctor.

oh and tasha i did pull it with both plugs out. i didnt quite pull it really fast. but i say the numbers are good not that there but again im only useing the puller starting. so i said to my self well when electric start comes we will get even mroe compression more accurate readings and plus it will be well lubricated the motor. stuck rings u know? u think they will be less?

well yes sir i am 14 with my first restored motor a 59 10hp evinrude on a big fat 20ft pontoon

can u guys get me the part numbers to
water impeller
carb rebuild kit
fuel pump diafram( will i have to replace the fuel pump also or the diafram is all i need?)

ill check for spark see what i get.

and what about the t stat? did a 58 have a t stat? cause this motor has one.


well before i restored my motor the top piston had 70 pounds in it . not sure the bottom because of the fact i didnt have enough room to check it out. maybe this new one will work

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

you have a PM. as i said when you get it running do the decarb, it is known to free up rings, and bring up compression.

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

yes i surely will tasha as soon as i can get it running lol. decarb cost kinda quite a bit thought about 15-17 dollars for two bottles the aresal and reg seafoam one of each so two bottle total

 

[Willyclay]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

Just sent you a PM

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

ok i checked for spark yesterday. i the spark on the top cylinder is real weak and the bottom one not even sure it had spark. so well im gonna oen the inspection plate or if not then pop the flywheel. well gonna see fit he coils were ever replaced then adjust and clean the points


what gap is the points?

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

.020.

 

[hyspenc]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

check to seeif coils are good
very ezey test might save a lot of agravastion
check lead wires as well
good luck

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

well sheesh this guy demands a lot. he wnats me to work on the motor while its monted ont he boat. well i took the carb off yesterday and cleaned it and took all the gaskets out and put them aside for future reference. the float was like yellow wants flaking but im going to replace it. the carb was hassle since the starter motor must be taken off also.

got some kinda bad news i cut the fuel line off and i noticed water in it!!! not sure if it was condesation from sitting but it was kinda big. and the motor had some droplets and almost made sure to take the clcium deposits off not really much few spots.

i decided to get new fuel line in the motor and air lines for the fuel pump also. r the air line same as the fuel lines?


my next thing is the fuel pump i heard that the fuel pump diafram is cheaper from brp then seirra liek only 5-7 dollars. could u guys supply me withe the fuel pump part number from brp


i noticed there is no inspection plate on the flywheel so i will be having to pull the flywheel off.

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 58 or 59 johnson 35hp super seahorse

well i took out the fuel pump today. i didnt take anything apart cause i didnt want to lose any springs etc so this tuesday i believe i will be buying the carb rebuild, fuel pump dirframa and washers for the gear oil. the guy said wait on the sparking issue for now since its hard to pull the flywheel on the boat. the fuel had water in it when i snipped the fuel and air lines some water came out.