Interlux paint HELP needed

jeremy5780

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I am painting my 18 foot skiff with interlux perfection. I am in the process of priming it now with interlux primekote. I put on two coats of the primer,sanded between coats and i am using the roll and tip method, and I am getting fine brush marks when i tip it. I am using a 4 inch white china bristle brush! Iam thinning the paint as discribded on the container. I even added some penetrol. I want to know what Iam doing wrong before I paint with the perfection. Is it the brush do I need a badger hair or is the white china bristle ok? Temp when i am painting is in the low to mid 70's It does feel as if the brush is dragging a very little, but If i add any more of the 2333n thinner it would be like water. Any thoughts
 

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Re: Interlux paint HELP needed

You just have to have a badger brush to paint and make it look good.Use the thinner they recommend,sometimes you can substitute though.I have used it with good results.Sometimes you have to sand though.
 

chicknwing

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Badger brush???? :confused:

Badger Hair brushes are ideal for bottom paint, varnish and high-gloss marine coatings. Badger brushes have a brushy appearance as the hair is cone shaped, thick near the tip and thin near the root.

Badger hair is somewhat stiff even in longer lengths. Most badger-hair brushes have a fan or round shape with a flat top for blending.

Taken from here

TC
 

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Re: Interlux paint HELP needed

Ayuh,...

I don't know Who's hair it takes,...
But,..
I've found buying 1 of the Better, if not the Best paintbrush at my local hardware store works OK,...
Before I start,... I soak the brush in the thinner I'm using,... Then shake it out,+ dry it somewhat,...

Then it's ready for Tippin'......

I think the thinner that's always retained in the brush helps with that Dragging Feeling,...
 

drewpster

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Apply it in very thin coats. (minimum 3) Interlux does not recommend thinning Perfection unless conditions require it. Perfection flashes in the slightest breeze. When thinned it can cause it to flash even more quickly. If you are painting outside do it in the early morning. (less wind) I found that wind had the greatest effect and caused the most problems. The first coat usually looks ok then gets better as the film builds up in the second and third coats. I have used China bristle and Badger brushes> China will work but a good badger brush will work better. Badger brushes, especially clean used ones, fan out and allow for a lighter touch. Tip the paint very lightly, just enough to remove the surface bubbles and move on. If you make a mistake just keep moving don't try to brush it out. You may find your mistake was not so bad when the paint flows out. There is a technique to using it but when you figure it out, it is sure worth it.

1969 Revelier painted with Perfection
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ryan_eyres

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Re: Interlux paint HELP needed

Having just finished an extensive refinishing job using the perfection system, I think I can help.

The primekote will not level out after tipping - no matter what. Don't even try to tip it, as it will leave brush lines that are difficult to sand out. Roll out with a good high density foam roller, and try to get as smooth of a finish as possible, then let it dry. It will have orange peel in it, but orange peel is way easier to sand smooth than brush strokes are.

Spray down a guide coat, then wet sand the primekote with 320 grit until perfectly flat. If you don't get a perfectly flat surface, it will show through in the final perfection coats. The guide coat will show you when you've got a flat surface. Note - Primekote tends to clog the paper, so buy lots of paper.

Once you've got a perfectly flat surface, wash the boat off with water and let dry. Then wipe it all down with 2333n thinner and allow to dry. Then, right before you paint with perfection, wipe the entire boat down with a tack rag. This is important to remove any dust.

For the Perfection, roll and tip just like it shows in the youtube videos. Roll on in 2-3 sq ft sections, and tip back towards the previously painted surface. I would suggest a 3" brush, and use the softest brush you can find at the store (probably the most expensive). I found good ones at home depot for about $14cdn. Hold the brush at a 45 degree angle to the surface and very very lightly drag it across the freshly rolled paint. You have to do it immediately after the section is rolled, as it will start to skin up quickly.

You will probably need 3 coats, wetsand between coats with 400 grit. Perfection wetsands very well. Clean and wipe down with 2333n and tack prior to painting each additional coat. By the time you get to the third coat, you will have the tipping thing all figured out. Trust me, you will be amazed!

Check out my paint job:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=237400&highlight=1978+Reinell

-Ryan
 

kelmar

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I am still in the process of rebuilding boat after painting it with INTERLUX PERFECTION. My best success was by not tipping and using a foam roller from Lowes. I could not get the brush strokes to flow out. I tried tipping with high dollar brushes and foam brushes. Rolling only worked out best. I used their thinner at about 10%. Sometimes a little more. Cool temps, no wind, and out of the sun are a must. These conditions gave more time for the paint to flow out. Perfection is a great product but not easy to work with. Practice rolling, only a thin coat. See if results are satisfactory.

Mark

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More pics.....http://picasaweb.google.com/kelmarray
 

ryan_eyres

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Ah, one more thing. Make sure to wait at least 3-4 days (more is better) between coats. Wait 5 days if you can. If you paint too soon after the previous coat, the previous coat will pull the solvents out of the new coat causing it to dry too quickly and it won't have enough time to fully level out.

-Ryan
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: Interlux paint HELP needed

I am still in the process of rebuilding boat after painting it with INTERLUX PERFECTION. My best success was by not tipping and using a foam roller from Lowes. I could not get the brush strokes to flow out. I tried tipping with high dollar brushes and foam brushes. Rolling only worked out best. I used their thinner at about 10%. Sometimes a little more. Cool temps, no wind, and out of the sun are a must. These conditions gave more time for the paint to flow out. Perfection is a great product but not easy to work with. Practice rolling, only a thin coat. See if results are satisfactory.

Mark

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More pics.....http://picasaweb.google.com/kelmarray


Yes indeed Rolling out perfection with a closed cell foam roller and then followed with the same type of roller to flatten out the stippiling is by far a superior process and results. Following with a foam roller will leave a extremely fine nap as any roller will but will level like glass
 

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I've been considering using Pettit's Easypoxy. I recently saw a friend BRUSH it on a unpreped gheenoe in the cold and it turned out amazing. I was thinking it'd look even better had he spent some more time on prep and rolled it out. All he did was wash the boat and started brushing right after it dried.

Has anyone had any experience with this product?
 

jeremy5780

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To me it seems as if i was to paint it with the foam roller then go over it again with another roller it would want to pull the paint off instead off getting it to flow out! thats just my opinion.
 

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To me it seems as if i was to paint it with the foam roller then go over it again with another roller it would want to pull the paint off instead off getting it to flow out! thats just my opinion.


Good point and to a very small extent you are right, but so does a brush. Any roller will leave a nap..aka 1' nap roller 3/4 nap etc, using a closed cell foam roller (very dense) you flatten the stippiling ...squish out the gases and leave a very fine nap which does flatten like glass

One thing that can happen is the paint becomes tacky on the flattening roller and will "lift" the paint some what..However that will take about 10-15 mins to occur and when it does just toss the thing a use a new one.....a 5pack cost's about $6.00. Useing that process you can paint 1/2 of a 18' boat (side's) in about 10-15 minutes.

Now matter how you do it it will take 3-5 coats to finsh a boat and each time you do it wether you tip with a brush or flatten with a roller....your understanding or skill of how the paint flows goes up. And the learning curve on the roller is very short..it does not take to much grey matter trust me...:D

If you try this and it works for you start with as little flowing solvent you can, you get a bigger build up and as you go add as much as 20% on your final finish... That's the money finish and you want that paint to flow out like glass..it will be thin but your base coat's should take of any color issues.

Stickly a opinion your milage may vary.
 

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add as much as 20% on your final finish... That's the money finish and you want that paint to flow out like glass..it will be thin but your base coat's should take of any color issues.

Stickly a opinion your milage may vary.


i followed this piece of advice. i can't remember the exact % i went with but i'm sure i was shooting for 20% as TG said. the results were amazing. i was a little unsatisfied with the earlier coats, last coat had an incredible gloss.

thanks for the tip, TG
 

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i followed this piece of advice. i can't remember the exact % i went with but i'm sure i was shooting for 20% as TG said. the results were amazing. i was a little unsatisfied with the earlier coats, last coat had an incredible gloss.

thanks for the tip, TG

Just to complicate things a bit more. When adding thinner it may be a good idea to work up to %X amount rather than going for a max amount. Keep in mind that climate can have an effect on how the paint works. When I painted the big boat it was summer here. (high temps, high humidity) Not knowing how thinner would effect the paint, I went without it and had great results. By the time I get to paint the little boat it will be warm here again. Given that my friend TG recommended it, I will be trying the roller technique and thinner on that job. We'll see how it goes.
Too much thinner can also effect the durability of the paint. The degree of effect would probably go unnoticed but is something to consider if you use more than the recommended amount.
Painting is one of my favorite things about restoration work! You can bet I will be doing some more experimenting with techniques when the little boat gets ready for it.:D
 
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Tail_Gunner

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Ah, one more thing. Make sure to wait at least 3-4 days (more is better) between coats. Wait 5 days if you can. If you paint too soon after the previous coat, the previous coat will pull the solvents out of the new coat causing it to dry too quickly and it won't have enough time to fully level out.

-Ryan

Ryan i do not want to contradict you here....butttttt..:redface: if you cut or abrade the finish after 24 hours in 70 degree heat it will melt off like chalk. It makes it much easier to do the entire job. Call Interlux support they will tell you the same.

And with that said he is very right with respect to the fact it takes Perfection 14 days to fully cure..
 

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Just to complicate things a bit more. When adding thinner it may be a good idea to work up to %X amount rather than going for a max amount. Keep in mind that climate can have an effect on how the paint works. When I painted the big boat it was summer here. (high temps, high humidity) Not knowing how thinner would effect the paint, I went without it and had great results. By the time I get to paint the little boat it will be warm here again. Given that my friend TG recommended it, I will be trying the roller technique and thinner on that job. We'll see how it goes.
Too much thinner can also effect the durability of the paint. The degree of effect would probably go unnoticed but is something to consider if you use more than the recommended amount.
Painting is one of my favorite things about restoration work! You can bet I will be doing some more experimenting with techniques when the little boat gets ready for it.:D

You will grin a bit when you do that, i painted my way thourgh college and have a some respect for methodology. With out going into a bunch of detail i had my wife tip behind me..;) She has a very good hand at painting and i trusted her after showing here how to hold and stroke the tipping brush.


I was 10' into rolling out the paint when i thought it was time to check on what she was doing....She had dropped the brush for the roller...she did not like the streaks that it was leaving...:eek:....:mad:....:confused: So being the nice guy that i am i said we were done...cleanded it all up went into the house and had a beer....I was a bit miffed

The next morning i went out to look at what i was going to have to resand...it was flat glass....Shhhh she does not know to this day..;).

And now as a american icon once said " you know the rest of the story"
 

Davinciman

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Re: Interlux paint HELP needed

Ayuh,...

I don't know Who's hair it takes,...
But,..
I've found buying 1 of the Better, if not the Best paintbrush at my local hardware store works OK,...
Before I start,... I soak the brush in the thinner I'm using,... Then shake it out,+ dry it somewhat,...

Then it's ready for Tippin'......

I think the thinner that's always retained in the brush helps with that Dragging Feeling,...

When you pre-soak your brush/roller , high end or not ,in whatever solvent, it makes your brush/roller way way easier to clean out.

The best brushes have better "flagging", ie split ends; bad for hair - good for brushes.... badger "hair" has the finest of flagging.

Purdy makes the best over the counter brushes.

Just a little tip I thought I'd share.

Cheers :D
 
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jeremy5780

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Well i put my first coat on saturday morning came out pretty good had a few runs but most of them layed down and dissapered. Let it dry until monday afternoon when i wet sanded with 400 grit. Put on my second coat this time i used the foam roller instead of the brush to tip. Much better results although there is some very minor orange peel but this is no show boat! I will let this dry for a day or two then wet sand again and put my final coat on! my question is what should i do when the last coat dries wet sand? leave alone? thanks tail_gunner for the foam roller tip worked great :D
 

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Well i put my first coat on saturday morning came out pretty good had a few runs but most of them layed down and dissapered. Let it dry until monday afternoon when i wet sanded with 400 grit. Put on my second coat this time i used the foam roller instead of the brush to tip. Much better results although there is some very minor orange peel but this is no show boat! I will let this dry for a day or two then wet sand again and put my final coat on! my question is what should i do when the last coat dries wet sand? leave alone? thanks tail_gunner for the foam roller tip worked great :D


One question, are you using a solvnet and if so what type.
 
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