mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

krisnowicki

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what kind of sealer or epoxy can I use to seal a fishfinder sender to the hull. I hear ACE is the way to go but no one around here sells it. is there anything else that is good.
 

triumphrick

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

I used 3m 5200 and it is the preferred way. You do not want to use silcone. Also, the transducer installation guide will tell you the exact procedure. You have to have a good sized bed of sealer and twist the transducer as you are pressing down to remove any and all bubbles.
You will also need to scuff up the gelcoat or finish in the bilge to assist bonding. Good luck! :)
 

dingbat

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

You want something that will dry hard so it's transfers the energy of the transducer to the hull with max efficiency.

The best signal is obtained using a some kind of a "bath" system. Silicon would work but you will experience signal lose to the "damping" effect of the rubber type substance.

I would strongly recommend Devcon 30 minute epoxy. Use a Dixie cup as a mold. Use enough epoxy to make sure that the bottom of the transducer is totally immersed in the mixture.
 

rusirius

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

AFAIK any decent two part epoxy will do... Any "hobby" store will carry good stuff... I use em for my airplanes all the time... ;) You can get 5-min, 15-min, 30-min, 60-min, etc... In all honesty the only real difference is usually just the "strength" of the hardner... I'd go with at least a 30 if not a 60... Not because you'll need that much time, but it'll give more time to allow any little air bubbles from mixing to escape and not get trapped in the epoxy...
 

athiker

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

If you have them, as mentioned above, check the installation guide for specific instructions. Or check online if its a used model. For example Airmar recommends GE Silicone I or II when installing their P79 In-hull Transducer. This is a liquid filled base transducer however and the instructions indicate an epoxy adhesive may be too brittle to be/remain liquid-tight.


http://www.airmartechnology.com/uploads/InstallGuide/17-217-01.pdf
 

athiker

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

Some more thoughts/detail on the subject:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=259048&highlight=p79

I don't have any first hand experience/knowledge but I'm looking to put a relatively low priced/basic fishfinder/depth finder setup in my boat so I've been trying to read a bit on the subject. My factory in-dash depthfinder has always been unreliable.
 

dingbat

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

If you have them, as mentioned above, check the installation guide for specific instructions. Or check online if its a used model. For example Airmar recommends GE Silicone I or II when installing their P79 In-hull Transducer. This is a liquid filled base transducer however and the instructions indicate an epoxy adhesive may be too brittle to be/remain liquid-tight.


http://www.airmartechnology.com/uploads/InstallGuide/17-217-01.pdf

THere is nothing specila about a P79 transducer. It's the same transducer design as the one you mount on the transom. The difference is that the transducer is suspended inside a tank of antifreeze or mineral oil. that is "glued" to the inside of the hull. The silicon is used for no other prupose than to seal the oil tank to the bottom of the hull. It has nothing to do with the installation of the transducer itself.

Using a sound deadening material like silicon to attach a transducer to the hull is like stuffing a pillow in your loud speaker.

When mounting a puck type thru hull to the bottom of the boat use a 30 or 60 mintue 2 part epoxy.
 

Chris1956

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

Krisnowicki, It is very important that you test the installation place for the transducer, before you mount it. Not all places on the hull work. You can use any epoxy, or you can try and see if it works with plain water. Make sure the transducer is flat on the hull.

I prefer just keeping the transduce wet. It worked good on my SeaRay 1/O
 

athiker

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

THere is nothing specila about a P79 transducer. It's the same transducer design as the one you mount on the transom. The difference is that the transducer is suspended inside a tank of antifreeze or mineral oil. that is "glued" to the inside of the hull. The silicon is used for no other prupose than to seal the oil tank to the bottom of the hull. It has nothing to do with the installation of the transducer itself.

Using a sound deadening material like silicon to attach a transducer to the hull is like stuffing a pillow in your loud speaker.

When mounting a puck type thru hull to the bottom of the boat use a 30 or 60 mintue 2 part epoxy.

The only reason I highlighted "liquid filled" was to differentiate the base of this particular model/system from some puck style transducers that may be epoxied directly to the inside of the hull. I believe (from the install illustrations) the P79 base is essentially a hollow tube, installed to the inside of the hull, then filled w/ non-toxic antifreeze, then the actual transducer is mounted to the base. I have read elsewhere some use mineral oil, as you mention above, as a base liquid and this may interact with epoxy...and loosen it...again I do not have first hand experience so don't know this to be true.

If the base is indeed a hollow tube as it appears, and the base rim was secured w/ silicone the transducer would not need to shoot through the silicone. I do know the mfg installation instructions linked to above recommend GE Silicone II.

CAUTION: The base must be liquid-tight.
Do Not use an epoxy adhesive because it is too brittle.

Again, I only posted this b/c I was reading up on various fishfinders/depth finders and came across this, I'm no expert. It most likely only applies to this particular system and I would hope most mfgs have specific instructions included with their units. The vast majority of what I've read on forums mentions using epoxy, so this stood out to me...it may be an exception to the rule.
 

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Re: mounting in hull fishfinder... what epoxy

My hummingbird install directions say-

The installation requires slow cure two part epoxy, Do not use silicone or any other soft adhesive to install the transducer, as the material reduces the sensitivity of the unit.

Five minute epoxy has the tendency to cure before all the air bubbles can be purged.
 
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