Temporary fuel flow gauge?

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Does anyone know if there is a type of fuel flow meter gauge that I could temporarily hook up.

And what or how does one hook up?

My dash only has room for two more gauges and I want to use one space for a fuel gauge and leave the other blank for some future use.

Once I've driven around awhile with a flow meter hooked up and know where I'm getting my most efficient performance vs fuel flow I don't really see the need of having to mount it permanently, since I would probably rarely look at it after that.
 

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About the cheapest your going to find is the Lowrance LMF-200. It will give you fuel flow but you will have to manually calculate MPG. The Lowrance LMF-400 will calculate MPG if you connect it to a GPS but it's almost twice the price and requires a 3 3/8" diameter mounting hole.

The simplest method is to add a fuel flow sensor to your GPS if it supports one. I?m running a Garmin 4208 and installed the Garmin GFS-10 fuel management module. It gives me flow, MPG, usage, and if connected to your existing fuel level gauge gives tank a redundant fuel level indication as well. The cost of the add-on was less than $200
 

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The Lowrance LMF200 is perfect for your needs. It is not only a fuel flow meter, but is also a very accurate fuel gauge. You simply enter your tank size when you set it up and it displays fuel used or fuel remaining based on fuel flow, not the fuel sender in your tank (though you can add a sensor for that too, if you wish). It will also store your seasonal fuel use. You can spend $60 and add a paddle wheel speed sensor to get instantaneous MPG range and MPH data if you do not have an NMEA 2000 output on your GPS for this purpose (this is what I did). You can add other sensors to the LMF200 to measure oil pressure, coolant temp, and coolant pressure on your engine, and you can add sensors to measure air temperature, water temperature, and a host of other parameters. The installation is very easy and adding sensors in the future is child's play. I love the one I put on my boat last year.
 

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Re: Temporary fuel flow gauge?

What have you got for a gps?

I've got a Lowrance 522 and hooked a fuel flow meter up. So I am just figuring out my sweet spot these days.
 

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It is counter productive to add the flow metering capability to establish some numbers and then remove the capability. Why? Because those numbers will change when another person steps into the boat or gets out of the boat. The numbers you initially gathered will only be valid on that day. Boat loading and water conditions greatly affect fuel consumption just like adding two, three, or four people to your car or towing a trailer with your truck. The real advantage of a fuel flow monitor is it can tell you instantly if you have an engine problem. If flow is typically 7 GPH (just to grab a number) with two aboard, a 17 foot boat with a 75 HP engine and flow rate is suddenly 9 GPH you had best head back to the dock as there is a fuel problem or the boat is very heavily loaded and you may need to recalculate fuel load to make sure you have enough for the trip. If you run big water you will very quickly get accustomed to using this tool very effectively. It is a very accurate fuel gauge, fuel used/trip, fuel used/total, fuel/remaining etc. And if MPG is more important to you then adding speed capability or interfacing with your other electronics gives you that capability.
 

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Thanks for all these quick responses. I have a Humminbird 797C2I combo GPS.

The reason I asked this question was that two weeks ago I cruised down to a local restaurant on the Hudson River which it was a decent day chop wise and about 22 miles round trip. When I refueled I was surprised to see I only used a little over two gallons of my full 6.5 gal tank. Even though I was running wot at various times since it was more of a season opening shakedown run.

Two weeks later, on the same run (with my Wife on board) to the same restaurant and the round trip of 22 miles but this time going down I could only run at less than 10 mph because the waves were so high. I couldn't plane for most of the trip and was just plowing through the water.

On the way back it was a following sea so I was planing all the way back just cruising as it was such a nice day at around 20 mph. Just nice to be able to spend a day on the water and it was still only April.

I've made this same trip around a dozen times, but when I went to fill up I was down to fumes in the tank and it caughtt me by surprise because I was totally unaware. I have a 2.5 gal spare on board, but I'd hate to have to start filling the tank in a high wave situation with it even though it has a spring type valve spout, it's slow and it still drips around.

So being that I trailer around to different lakes and I don't really want to hang more weight off the transom by going to a 9 gal tank (the biggest that would fit in the fuel locker). I thought I might look into upgrading the tank to one that has a sending unit and install a fuel gauge in the dash. The flow meter would allow me to run at the most efficient speeds for weight on board and conditions.

I just figured after a awhile most conditions repeat them selves and by that time I would know what the most efficient variables were.

But I do like the idea of possibly adding a module to the GPS to gain flow info.
to the unit I have now. I paid $1,000 for it 2 years ago and I would think it has the option of adding it. I'll look at their website or call them.

And I always enjoy Silvertips concise informative posts on subjects like these. This site is great.
 

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Thanks for all these quick responses. I have a Humminbird 797C2I combo GPS.

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But I do like the idea of possibly adding a module to the GPS to gain flow info.
to the unit I have now. I paid $1,000 for it 2 years ago and I would think it has the option of adding it. I'll look at their website or call them.

Looked around the Humminbord site and I don't see a fuel flow add on at all. Kinda surprising so I think they must have one and I'm just not seeing it.

Does the unit have any kind of networking available? Again, I can't tell from the site if the unit is NMEA2000 compatible or not. If the Humminbirds are, then I suspect you can plug a Lowrance sensor into it.
 

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Looked around the Humminbord site and I don't see a fuel flow add on at all. Kinda surprising so I think they must have one and I'm just not seeing it.

Does the unit have any kind of networking available? Again, I can't tell from the site if the unit is NMEA2000 compatible or not. If the Humminbirds are, then I suspect you can plug a Lowrance sensor into it.


I'm on with their customer service now. I do have it hooked up to my VHF radio through those little wires.

Nope, they just said no. Maybe the Lowrance unit would work with it as you suggest?
 

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The Lowrance LMF200 is perfect for your needs. It is not only a fuel flow meter, but is also a very accurate fuel gauge. You simply enter your tank size when you set it up and it displays fuel used or fuel remaining based on fuel flow, not the fuel sender in your tank (though you can add a sensor for that too, if you wish). It will also store your seasonal fuel use. You can spend $60 and add a paddle wheel speed sensor to get instantaneous MPG range and MPH data if you do not have an NMEA 2000 output on your GPS for this purpose (this is what I did). You can add other sensors to the LMF200 to measure oil pressure, coolant temp, and coolant pressure on your engine, and you can add sensors to measure air temperature, water temperature, and a host of other parameters. The installation is very easy and adding sensors in the future is child's play. I love the one I put on my boat last year.

Wow, that gauge is perfect. Does it have to be used with only with a Lowrance GPS? I'm on their site now. The EP-60R fuel flow sensor looks great too. I see how one end splices into the fuel line but I don't know if the other end could be adapted to my Humminbird 797C2I or it just plugs into the gauge? My unit does have NMEA output which I hooked up to my VHF if that is a factor.

Is the LMF-200 a stand alone gauge that is used along with the EP-60R fuel flow sensor and is connected by NMEA pigtail to any NMEA ready GPS unit?

I'm trying to find a C/S number for Lowrance to ask if it could be used.
 

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I installed a NORTHSTAR F210 on my boat earlier this year and it seems to be working great. I had started out with 75 gallons and when I was finished for the season, it says there should be 26.6 gallons left. Since I had to pull my tank for replacement, I needed to removed the fuel. I removed 26 gallons, so as far as accuracy goes, that is pretty good. I paid $125 for it on the internet.
 

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Wow, that gauge is perfect. Does it have to be used with only with a Lowrance GPS? I'm on their site now. The EP-60R fuel flow sensor looks great too. I see how one end splices into the fuel line but I don't know if the other end could be adapted to my Humminbird 797C2I or it just plugs into the gauge? My unit does have NMEA output which I hooked up to my VHF if that is a factor.

Is the LMF-200 a stand alone gauge that is used along with the EP-60R fuel flow sensor and is connected by NMEA pigtail to any NMEA ready GPS unit?

I'm trying to find a C/S number for Lowrance to ask if it could be used.
You can connect it to any GPS that has NMEA 2000 output. Will not work with NMEA 0183
 

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You can connect to any GPS that has NMEA 2000 output. Will not work with NMEA 0183

So even though I'm already using the NMEA output pigtail to my VHF I can still use it. Do I just just tie the two together to the same pigtail?
 

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Probably not. Otherwise you wouldn?t need multiple NEMA outputs on machines. I have 2 sets of NEMA and a CAN-NET outputs on my 4208

Might be a moot point anyhow. I can?t find anything that says your unit is NMEA 2000 capable to begin with.
 

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Probably not. Otherwise you wouldn?t need multiple NEMA outputs on machines. I have 2 sets of NEMA and a CAN-NET outputs on my 4208

Might be a moot point anyhow. I can?t find anything that says your unit is NMEA 2000 capable to begin with.

Ya, I couldn't find any reference on the web. I just pulled the nmanual out of the boat and going through it.

I did find a reference to a software update at Humminbird.com so I just down loaded it to an SD card and I'll update the head unit while I'm seeing if I can find out if the gauge will work.

I just found it in the manual. Has an asterisk next to NMEA output and it says NMEA 0183 so that looks like "no cigar" on the Lowrance gauge.

I'll check out the other posters suggestion on the Northstar F210

Too bad though, that Lowrance set up looked like it would have really worked for me.

Just checked out some Northstar reviews: one said only gives meaningful readings over 7 gal an hour. I don't use 7 gal in a day :D
 

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VHF and GPS can talk either by NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000. But I have found very few VHF units use NMEA 2000 (Lowrance LVR-880 for ~$200 Cdn is what I picked up) so if you VHF is plugged into your GPS via the only NMEA connector, than you are using NMEA 0183 and the EP-60R won't connect to it. My GPS/FF has both 0183 and 2000 connections.

If that is the case, then the LMF-400 and EP-60R will only be able to give you gallons per hour (GPH) and they will be hooked up separate from you GPS and VHF. You will, in effect, have two, independant, networks on your boat. The 0183 will be you GPS & VHF. The LMF and EP will be NMEA 2000 and you will be able to add other sensors if you like.

Not the best situation, but I don't see a better one.

The biggest difference between the NMEA 0183 and 2000 is bandwidth. As a result, I think you have a lot more flexibility with the 2000 and the sensors that can be added (including gps receivers).
 

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VHF and GPS can talk either by NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000. But I have found very few VHF units use NMEA 2000 (Lowrance LVR-880 for ~$200 Cdn is what I picked up) so if you VHF is plugged into your GPS via the only NMEA connector, than you are using NMEA 0183 and the EP-60R won't connect to it. My GPS/FF has both 0183 and 2000 connections.

If that is the case, then the LMF-400 and EP-60R will only be able to give you gallons per hour (GPH) and they will be hooked up separate from you GPS and VHF. You will, in effect, have two, independent, networks on your boat. The 0183 will be you GPS & VHF. The LMF and EP will be NMEA 2000 and you will be able to add other sensors if you like.

Not the best situation, but I don't see a better one.

The biggest difference between the NMEA 0183 and 2000 is bandwidth. As a result, I think you have a lot more flexibility with the 2000 and the sensors that can be added (including gps receivers).

Thanks for all of your help. I'll pose this same question to the other boating forum I hang out on. Mostly salt water, but they are pretty up on electronics. Maybe someone over there has another solution or knows of a gauge that I can incorporate with the equipment I have now.
 

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The biggest difference between the NMEA 0183 and 2000 is bandwidth. As a result, I think you have a lot more flexibility with the 2000 and the sensors that can be added (including gps receivers).

The two have different protocols, different connection hardware. NEMA 2000 is also is a multi-talker, multi-listener interface which allows multiple instruments to communicate with each other over the same network. This feature offers a great deal of flexibility when connecting multiple instruments to the network.

NMEA 0183 on the other hand is a single talker ? multi-listener network. Can?t send messages at the same time. About the only thing the two networks have in common is the word NMEA.
 

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I too have a NMEA 0183 GPS. If you want to know your speed with the LMF200, just add a paddle wheel sensor. The network will already be in place for the fuel flow gauge so the paddle wheel is a quick install. Mine's accurate to within 5% of my GPS speed, on plane and on still water, and it's adjustable.
 

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I too have a NMEA 0183 GPS. If you want to know your speed with the LMF200, just add a paddle wheel sensor. The network will already be in place for the fuel flow gauge so the paddle wheel is a quick install. Mine's accurate to within 5% of my GPS speed, on plane and on still water, and it's adjustable.

Thx, the boat has a MPH gauge already. I like reading the speed off the GPS though.

Another site said with only a 40 hp's fuel flow the flow gauge won't be accurate anyway as others have already said.

I guess I'll just upgrade the tank to a 9 gal since it's only a 6.5 and one that that has a sending unit and install a fuel gauge. Just thought I could encompass the whole thing into the combo GPS but I guess not with a Humminbird unit.
 
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