You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

[Triton II]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

I'm
glad I started researching these tubular steel trailers, it seems they're an
accident waiting to happen.

Bryan, I've owned galvanised tubular steel trailers for years with no problems despite high usage rates exclusively in saltwater. It may be that not all trailers are equal? Certainly 90% of trailers overhere are tubular gal rather than painted and I've never seen anything as bad as the subject of this thread. Anyway, enough highjacking of your thread Alpheus - and I seriously suggest you go to the authorities if you don't get any satisfaction from the selling dealer.

 

[jeeperman]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

You probably hit the nail on the head there. This trailer was on the recieving end of a previous owner who simply did not give a crap about what he had. This is not the fault of Mastercraft trailers, or Mastercraft boat Co.. (Unless YOU can inspect this trailer, you have no idea if it is a design fault or not.)This 'Dealer' that sold this guy this boat probably thought he'd NEVER see this guy again, and told him everything he wanted to hear about the boat & trailer.(That is the excuse? really? your accusing the dealer of saying anything to get rid of it??) Maintence is a whole lot cheaper than replacement! I don't care if Mercede's Benz would have built this trailer, it would have done the EXACT same thing if treated the same way this one was!(No amount or proper maintenance will overcome poor design)
This guy goes to the MC forum and starts bashing a MC trailer that was clearly abused, and gets some flack about it. Sounds to me like he may have deserved a little of that. But you can bet, he got NOBODY in trouble over there. Dealer screwed him, and he should shove that trailer up their *****!

Here we have one of those Blindly loyal MC owners coming in here from the MC forum to defend MC (first post).

Do not blame the current owner nor the dealer for possible design flaws.

The dealer, his MC techs that inspected the trailer as well as the buyer all could have simply opened that swing away tongue and saw a whole bunch of something going on inside that tongue tube.
Maybe the dealer and his techs did do that and simply did not divulge that info ???

How many of us boaters properly maintain our trailers by tilting them down in front to drain water ?????????

 

[Gary H NC]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Here we have one of those Blindly loyal MC owners coming in here from the MC forum to defend MC (first post).

Do not blame the current owner nor the dealer for possible design flaws.

The dealer, his MC techs that inspected the trailer as well as the buyer all could have simply opened that swing away tongue and saw a whole bunch of something going on inside that tongue tube.
Maybe the dealer and his techs did do that and simply did not divulge that info ???

How many of us boaters properly maintain our trailers by tilting them down in front to drain water ?????????

Agree......Either way a 3 year old trailer should not be in that shape.
If it was inspected they would have noticed the ton of rust.

Also the MC forum guys need not come here and start bashing people...

 

[indy440]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Here we have one of those Blindly loyal MC owners coming in here from the MC forum to defend MC (first post).

I agree, this guy is a fool.

 

[jeeperman]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Agree......Either way a 3 year old trailer should not be in that shape.
If it was inspected they would have noticed the ton of rust.

Also the MC forum guys need not come here and start bashing people...

I bet there were a lot of MC trailer owners tapping the hell out of their trailer tongues with hammers this past weekend.

On second thought that swing-a-way tongue might have the tongue tube capped off thus no one could look inside, maybe. If it is, then how did all that water get inside to accellerate oxidation like that???

 

[a70eliminator]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Actually I tilt mine up to drain the boat, the trailer tongue doesn't even come close to being dunked at launch, trailer maintainence to me greasing the bearings and keeping the winch greased, is there maintainence to the frame that I've neglected for 20yrs? I mean it could use a paint job I guess.

 

[Gary H NC]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

I'm really glad my trailer is a C channel galvanized.The only rust i have found on it was the bolts and all of them have been replaced.
I can look down the tube for the tongue and see thru the other end.
No way it could hold water and would never be dunked that deep anyway.
Its a 30 year old trailer and the only thing replaced was the hubs,winch and some keel rollers.

After seeing the MC trailer i think i will not buy a steel tube trailer ever again.
I can't imagine why it would get dunked that far in the water? was the tow vehicle submerged too...

 

[Ski07X2]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Originally Posted by Ski07X2
You probably hit the nail on the head there. This trailer was on the recieving end of a previous owner who simply did not give a crap about what he had. This is not the fault of Mastercraft trailers, or Mastercraft boat Co.. (Unless YOU can inspect this trailer, you have no idea if it is a design fault or not.)This 'Dealer' that sold this guy this boat probably thought he'd NEVER see this guy again, and told him everything he wanted to hear about the boat & trailer.(That is the excuse? really? your accusing the dealer of saying anything to get rid of it??) Maintence is a whole lot cheaper than replacement! I don't care if Mercede's Benz would have built this trailer, it would have done the EXACT same thing if treated the same way this one was!(No amount or proper maintenance will overcome poor design)
This guy goes to the MC forum and starts bashing a MC trailer that was clearly abused, and gets some flack about it. Sounds to me like he may have deserved a little of that. But you can bet, he got NOBODY in trouble over there. Dealer screwed him, and he should shove that trailer up their *****!

Where do you get off on saying its a poor design? Most mastercraft boats are designed for use in FRESH water. They are ski boats, Therefore the trailers are design for FRESH water too. This trailer was clearly used in SALT water! Mastercraft is THE ONLY performance ski boat manufacturer in the world that designs boats for STICKLY saltwater use. Also, these Saltwater Series boats come STANDARD with a galvanized trailer, which can tolerate saltwater use. Yea, I might be a little biased when it comes to my brand of boat, but aren't you? I NEVER came over here to bash ANYBODY. This trailer in question was clearly abused, but its certaimly not the fault of Mastercraft trailers or their design. If this dealer was so reputable, why didn't he open up the swing away tongue and look down the tube? Probably because it was rusted to bad to get it open. The DEALER is at fault here, not the buyer, not the manufacturer. He never said who the actual dealer was over on the MC forum, but I wish he had. This might tell me who NOT to buy my next boat from!

 

[Nobody]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

he got NOBODY in trouble over there.

Not in trouble here or there.

Bummer on the incident though, thankfully it happened at your house and not 100+ miles down the road where things will get expensive quick.

 

[Gary H NC]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Here we go.....again....

Does not matter the brand of the trailer! It should not have rusted like that in 3 years.The tongue should not have been dunked unless some dummy kept backing the whole rig way too far in the water!
And if the tongue was designed to trap water from rain or whatever it was a POOR design anyway.

90% of the MC and Nautiques boats i see on our area lakes are full of kids that drive like idiots. I watched a bunch of them one day spend an hour trying to get the boat on the trailer...It was obvious they never had any teaching.They rammed the trailer over and over trying to power load..
All i could think was poor boat!
Maybe this broken trailer was severely abused like that also.

 

[rbh]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

It may be alittle off the topic, BUT this is kinda why any time someone asks if they should or could add another axle to the frame to carry a heavyer boat, I say NO.

 

[jeeperman]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Originally Posted by Ski07X2
You probably hit the nail on the head there. This trailer was on the recieving end of a previous owner who simply did not give a crap about what he had. This is not the fault of Mastercraft trailers, or Mastercraft boat Co.. (Unless YOU can inspect this trailer, you have no idea if it is a design fault or not.)This 'Dealer' that sold this guy this boat probably thought he'd NEVER see this guy again, and told him everything he wanted to hear about the boat & trailer.(That is the excuse? really? your accusing the dealer of saying anything to get rid of it??) Maintence is a whole lot cheaper than replacement! I don't care if Mercede's Benz would have built this trailer, it would have done the EXACT same thing if treated the same way this one was!(No amount or proper maintenance will overcome poor design)
This guy goes to the MC forum and starts bashing a MC trailer that was clearly abused, and gets some flack about it. Sounds to me like he may have deserved a little of that. But you can bet, he got NOBODY in trouble over there. Dealer screwed him, and he should shove that trailer up their *****!

Where do you get off on saying its a poor design? Most mastercraft boats are designed for use in FRESH water. They are ski boats, Therefore the trailers are design for FRESH water too. This trailer was clearly used in SALT water! Mastercraft is THE ONLY performance ski boat manufacturer in the world that designs boats for STICKLY saltwater use. Also, these Saltwater Series boats come STANDARD with a galvanized trailer, which can tolerate saltwater use. Yea, I might be a little biased when it comes to my brand of boat, but aren't you? I NEVER came over here to bash ANYBODY. This trailer in question was clearly abused, but its certaimly not the fault of Mastercraft trailers or their design. If this dealer was so reputable, why didn't he open up the swing away tongue and look down the tube? Probably because it was rusted to bad to get it open. The DEALER is at fault here, not the buyer, not the manufacturer. He never said who the actual dealer was over on the MC forum, but I wish he had. This might tell me who NOT to buy my next boat from!

Claiming it is not poor design does nothing to show us it was not poor design.
Tell us your identical trailer has ample drain holes back where the tongue is welded to the crossmember.
Tell us the swing-a-way is not capped off and you can see down the tongue to where it is welded.
Tell us your identical MC trailer is definitely not rusted inside at the same spot.

A painted steel trailer should last longer than three years, even if used in saltwater and not rinsed off after each use. This failure could be simply the result of rainwater finding it's way into the tongue via the swing-away feature and sitting inside forever.
The failure point is so far forward I find it very difficult to believe it was dunked in any type of water.
If it was, why then did it fail there completely and not further back which is dunked every time?? Three structural members all welded together right there and all three fail?

I would be sweating bullets if I had a MC trailer like this one under my boat saltwater or freshwater.

 

[jeeperman]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Originally Posted by Ski07X2
This trailer was clearly used in SALT water! !

How do you know that, clearly?
Did you go lick the trailer to taste it?

 

[Alpheus]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Most mastercraft boats are designed for use in FRESH water. They are ski boats, Therefore the trailers are design for FRESH water too.

When I was at this dealership every single one of those boats was on a red trailer that looked identical to mine. This dealership is right on the Atlantic Ocean in Virginia. Ill bet you dimes to dollars that 90% of those boats are going into salt water. The scary thing is, is how many of those boats has he sold in the past that have been used in salt water that are being towed on the road today? I know that every time I see that red trailer on the road Ill be getting away from it...

 

[Bob_VT]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Regardless of the "why it failed" the true solution is replace it because there "could" be other areas inside similar with rot (oxidation).

Blaming the PO, the manufacturer or the dealer does not change the result that it failed.

I have an older Hosclaw that is going to be re-painted, re-lighted, re-bunked and I am going to add an extra intensive inspection.

 

[Gary H NC]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Have you talked to the dealer yet?

 

[ezmobee]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

We cannot let this thread continue to bash the quality of Mastercraft products based on the performance of a used trailer sold mis-matched with a boat for $1000.

Should the dealer have inspected the trailer before sending a customer (even a low $$ one) down the road with it? Absolutely.

If the product bashing continues, this thread will be closed.

 

[Gary H NC]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

We cannot let this thread continue to bash the quality of Mastercraft products based on the performance of a used trailer sold mis-matched with a boat for $1000.

Should the dealer have inspected the trailer before sending a customer (even a low $$ one) down the road with it? Absolutely.

If the product bashing continues, this thread will be closed.

Not MC brand specific...I think any steel trailer could have the same problems without a way for water to drain from that tube.

Hopefully this thread has many people taking a closer look at their trailer..

 

[nlain]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

My first boat had a painted steel trailer under it, I dunked it in saltwater almost every week end, right out of my back yard, Had fresh water ran to the dock ramp area, trailer was wash off every time it went in the water, all channel except the tounge, square tube, with the care I took it was about 8 years before it broke while getting ready to launch, I secured it the best I could, left the jack down and eased it back to the water, used the boat, next day I took the trailer to work, got new square tube and welded it in, about 3 years later I was backing to the ramp and the right trailer tire leaned over against the boat, axle broke, replaced trailer with aluminum trailer. Current boat has galvinized all tube frame trailer, wish it was channel.

 

[Alpheus]

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

Re: You Know The Saying "trailer is worth what you paid for the boat" **I Disagree**

We cannot let this thread continue to bash the quality of Mastercraft products based on the performance of a used trailer sold mis-matched with a boat for $1000.

Should the dealer have inspected the trailer before sending a customer (even a low $$ one) down the road with it? Absolutely.

If the product bashing continues, this thread will be closed.

I dont want that to happen. Im not bashing MC they do make a heck of a nice boat. Im not bashing the trailer. It was one of the best handling trailers that Ive ever pulled and the bakes were rock solid. Like I said I have searched all over the web and this seems to be an isolated incident. Im just a little upset at the dealer who sold it to me and declared it road worthy.

I put in a call to the dealer today and the guy who sold me the boat was not there. I then told the guy on the phone my story and He said He would have the dealer call me ASAP.

Waitin patiently...