Conversion from oil injector to premix

pbroby

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I have a 60 horsepower yamaha precision blend in which I would like to see about covernting it from oil injector to premix. Can I please ask this forum to help with the procedure in doing it if possible? I live on a remote island in the Pacific whereby human resource in terms of mechanic and parts are limited. Happy New Year to you all....
 

JUSTINTIME

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

yami oil injection is very good, as long as you maintain it
 

kenneth80

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

I have read across this forum where several people ask about this and i have yet to see an answer. Only that "you can trust the blending system" and so on. Why cant anyone just come up with the procedure? People can have different reasons wanting to get rid of the blending system. Many people have bad experiences from the system and simply just dont trust it. Also on an old outbord it can be one thing to eliminate from the maintenance list due to many outboards has not been maintained that well over the years.
 

kaferhaus

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

I'd leave it alone also. the system has warning alarms to notify you if there's a problem. The maintenance on those systems is very minor and easy to perform.

You generally cause your engine to NOT run as well when you disconnect them as you'll be burning way too much oil anywhere except full throttle or near full throttle.

I've had several OMC's that some prior owner or jack leg outboard mechanic/wannabe engineeer had bypassed the VRO and immediately re-connected them. Much smoother idle, less plug fouling and less pollution..never mind the savings on oil.

get a manual, perform the routine maintenance, test the alarm system and leave it be.

Oil injection failures are extremely rare.... much more rare than someone forgetting to add oil to the gas.
 

kenneth80

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I see all your points,aint gonna argue just for the cause of it. But i still hope to see an actual answer to the topic someday.. Im thinking of disconnecting my oil system as well but i guess i just have to be patient..:cool:
 

robert graham

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Better to leave the Precision Blend as it is. Get a manual/book on your motor, study that oil injection system carefully and learn how to maintain it and it won't give you trouble. My motor is a 1999 pre-mix motor and I'm O.K. with that, but if I had Precision Blend I'd just leave it on the motor. One thing about the Precion Blend is that at low/idle RPM's like approaching a dock or a beach the oil ratio will be very low, so if your motor will sit very long(several weeks) between uses, maybe spray the fogging oil in motor to protect from corrosion, especially in a salt water, tropical, humid area like yours. Just a thought. Good Luck!
 

99yam40

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

I see all your points,aint gonna argue just for the cause of it. But i still hope to see an actual answer to the topic someday.. Im thinking of disconnecting my oil system as well but i guess i just have to be patient..:cool:


If you really want to do it I am sure you could find the info somewhere on the web. and then you can report back here as to whether or not it does what you wanted without hurting your motor in the long run.
 

kenneth80

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If im not wrong mr Graham has been premixing his engine for the last 10 years. Why dont you ask him what damage that has done to his motor? I cant, no matter how hard i try, imagine that bypassing the oil system is any different than having a pre mix-engine. Am i wrong?
 

robert graham

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I don't know for sure, but I've heard that certain oil injector motors actually inject oil in specific areas or bearings on the motor and that the motor could suffer real damage if the oil injection was removed. I do know that my premix motor has a series of rubber "recirculation" lines that collect oil and feed it to other areas of the motor. Hopefully, one of our experts on here can clarify this because the subject of "oil injection removal" seems to keep coming up.
 

JUSTINTIME

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

Yamaha injects before the reeds
merc after reeds
 

James R

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Ok, let me see if I can be some help. I will need the model year from you and then I will look in my library.
Yamaha followed Suzuki's plan for oil pumps and fitted a gear pump, not the Huff and Puff system favored by OMC and early Mercury. Mercury soon changed over to the gear pump when the H&Ps failed. The difficulty with removing the gear pump oiling system is that the pump drive must be removed otherwise the pump, having no oil flow, will seize causing catastrophic failure in the crank case and possibly cylinders.
Just finished rebuilding a Merc where the owner cut the lines and did not remove the pump shaft.
The Suzuki's,some models, have the pump where it is nearly impossible to remove without pulling the power head.
Of course I concur that these Yamaha pumps, as Suzuki pumps, rarely fail.
Why Bombardier continue to use the Huff and Puff defeats me, albeit supposedly improved.
The problem I see, even when a gear pump is used, is that some insist on that tank on the deck which requires pressure from the crank case to deliver oil to the internal gravity feed tank. Better than H&P in any event.
 

kenneth80

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

Nice James! Would you go PM with this or take it here? Dont want to hijack some others thread(altough i think that happened a long time ago..:eek: )
 

kenneth80

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

I have a 1985 Yamaha 140 AETO
 

DoubleWeber

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I have a 1991 225 BETO (TLRP)
Im about to pull the power head apart and maybe remove the autolube while Im in there.
(Im sorry to be apart of the hijacking team but... ;) )
 

James R

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

Sorry Keneth I am unable to identify your motor. You have said 60HP but I don't see this size in my listings. Also you have said 140 AETO. 140 indicates a 140HP but I don't see one in my listings for 1985.
In any event it should not be difficult. The pump must be unbolted and moved aside to remove the drive shaft from the block. If this is not done then the pump will seize with no oil going through it. Severe damage will be done to the motor if the shaft is not removed. The pump body can then be refitted. I don"t see a flow sensor on the pump only an oil level sensor on the tank. If you wish you can leave everything in place and leave a good level in the oil tank. The motor wont know any difference. If you pull the pump you will need to blank off the shaft hole with a sealing plate and gasket and seal the oil feed tubes to the manifold and the tank output. If you want to remove the tank you will need to disconnect the level sensor.
I cannot tell if there will be enough room to access the two pump bolts but as it is mounted on the side of the block you should be able to reach them. If not then the cover or power head will have to be removed. Depends on model design.
Hope this is of some help.
 

gill

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I would advise against this, on the grounds that there are oil routings that go to crankshaft bearings, and a few other places. The oiling systems are very good on these engines, as far as operation and warning systems go. Do the maintenance and keep the oil system. Just my vote
 

James R

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

I could be wrong about it Gill so I have posted a thread for input from Rodbolt.
I can't identify the motor but I believe it uses a similar system as Suzuki.
Rodbolt is the expert.
 

kenneth80

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Re: Conversion from oil injector to premix

as you might see James i am not the one who started this thread:) The original threadstarter has a 60 HP, i have a 140:) AETO is a non-US model code,dont know what code this engine would have had over there..
 
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