Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

nauticool

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Condensed nearly 100 posts from my previous thread into this one to make life a little easier.

ser no OW385827
model MCM 5.0MPI (single point drain)
nov 2005 engine Fitted 2006 -65 hrs use. the last 40 hours in fresh water.
original outdrive. previously fitted was a carbed 5.7 v8

outdrive alpha 1 gen 1
ser OC893180
1990

Problem; Engine overheats at idle, 550rpm. Engine temp will just keep increasing then if i pick up the revs it goes down to 165f.

Already done; serviced outdrive to include new pump bellows water hose and checked for blockages- all ok. tested output when in water and results show pumping way more than the minimum specified.
1000rpm for 15 secs = 4 quarts, minimum is 3 quarts
550rpm for 15 secs = 2.1 quarts
flow is very good with no air bubbles

checked all plumbing on engine p/s cooler, fuel cooler, check valve and replaced thermostat which was faulty anyway. removed manifolds and risers and all in good condition and clear. the only part i havent removed is the circ pump on the engine.

you can see some pics of the cooling system via this link http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=374168&page=2

there has been some uncertainty with myself whether or not this is a long standing problem. it could have overheated without me knowing as the instrument buzzer is missing. i only bought the boat last year.

TODAY!! Tested the engine again this time squashing the hose, that tee's and feeds the two elbows, by 80%, ish, and this helps the engine to run at a constant 175f.
With the hose resticted and at 2000rpm the hottest the manifold got was 185f and the elbows ran between 100f and 135f. The stbd side was hotter than the port side?
I think what don and bond-o are saying is true. i am going to have to alter the cooling system. can i just add two ball valves before the elbows to manualy balance the flow or should i look into fitting the blue ball system bond-o was talking about?
What is the hottest a manifold surface temp should be?

Ive had some great help so far... Don, Chris, Jason, Bond-o etc ..... thank you
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

the blue ball system bond-o was talking about?

I'm not sure if I even want to know what that is :)

2 quick questions... because i'm to lazy to look through your old posts
1. is the raw water or fresh water cooled (do you have a heat exchanger)
2. What is the temp rating on the thermostat you have in it now? is it 143, 160, or 180?
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

hi jason

thermostat is 160
raw water cooled only
 

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TODAY!! Tested the engine again this time squashing the hose, that tee's and feeds the two elbows, by 80%, ish, and this helps the engine to run at a constant 175f.

Ayuh,... That would seems to Prove my hypothesis...

I don't know How to go about the final Fix, as the other guys have said the Old style housing won't work....
But,...
I suppose adding a motor driven Bravo style raw water pump, Should do it...
or should i look into fitting the blue ball system bond-o was talking about?

I remember saying you need the Check-balls... Donno about Blueballs though...
I haven't experinced That particular lack of Flow since I was 16 or so....
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

Emailed Mercruiser to see what they think


Thank you for your inquiry. Based on the information provided the thing that sticks out is that you have a Generation II engine matched up with a Generation I Alpha drive. This is not a good combination as there is a difference in how these two generations are designed to cool. Basically when we made the switch to Gen II we added a larger floppy veined impeller to the seawater pump and changed to a low pressure, high volume system. This is opposed to the older high pressure, low volume system used on the Gen I models. As you can imagine, an engine designed to be used with a Gen II system would have a hard time getting sufficient cooling from a Gen I drive. This is part of the reason that we never recommend mismatching these generations. We hope this helps. Thank you.

Well, what do you guys think?
Should i begin looking into changing the outdrive? :(
What gear ratio should i be looking for and can i use the existing bell housing and transom shield?

Or are there any "cheaper" suggestions i can try?

Officially stuck now.....
 

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Or are there any "cheaper" suggestions i can try?

Ayuh,... Can you Read, or do you just like to post....

Your question has been answered,... over,+ over,+ over,+ over,+ Over.... :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

A engine driven raw water pump ,Bravo style
 

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I think I may need glasses bondo :)
Your suggestion on fitting the bravo style pump is the first one??

Is there a diagram I can use for the plumbing on the upgraded system? Can it be used inline with the alpha one's pump?
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

Condensed nearly 100 posts from my previous thread into this one to make life a little easier.

ser no OW385827
model MCM 5.0MPI (single point drain)
nov 2005 engine Fitted 2006 -65 hrs use. the last 40 hours in fresh water.
original outdrive. previously fitted was a carbed 5.7 v8

outdrive alpha 1 gen 1
ser OC893180
1990

Problem; Engine overheats at idle, 550rpm. Engine temp will just keep increasing then if i pick up the revs it goes down to 165f.

Already done; serviced outdrive to include new pump bellows water hose and checked for blockages- all ok. tested output when in water and results show pumping way more than the minimum specified.
1000rpm for 15 secs = 4 quarts, minimum is 3 quarts
550rpm for 15 secs = 2.1 quarts
flow is very good with no air bubbles

checked all plumbing on engine p/s cooler, fuel cooler, check valve and replaced thermostat which was faulty anyway. removed manifolds and risers and all in good condition and clear. the only part i havent removed is the circ pump on the engine.

you can see some pics of the cooling system via this link http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=374168&page=2

there has been some uncertainty with myself whether or not this is a long standing problem. it could have overheated without me knowing as the instrument buzzer is missing. i only bought the boat last year.

TODAY!! Tested the engine again this time squashing the hose, that tee's and feeds the two elbows, by 80%, ish, and this helps the engine to run at a constant 175f.
With the hose resticted and at 2000rpm the hottest the manifold got was 185f and the elbows ran between 100f and 135f. The stbd side was hotter than the port side?
I think what don and bond-o are saying is true. i am going to have to alter the cooling system. can i just add two ball valves before the elbows to manualy balance the flow or should i look into fitting the blue ball system bond-o was talking about?
What is the hottest a manifold surface temp should be?

Ive had some great help so far... Don, Chris, Jason, Bond-o etc ..... thank you

It seems you and i have the same problem 350 mag mpi hooked up to a Alpha 1 . overheat issues
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

It seems you and i have the same problem 350 mag mpi hooked up to a Alpha 1 . overheat issues

Have not tried it yet but the tee below the thermostat housing is suppose to have either 1 or 2 orifices and orings i suppose to control this flow issue is yours similar.

Read my thread update on 350 mag overheats
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

I think I may need glasses bondo :)
Your suggestion on fitting the bravo style pump is the first one??

Is there a diagram I can use for the plumbing on the upgraded system? Can it be used inline with the alpha one's pump?

Ayuh,... It was alluded to, twice in the 1st 10 posts of your other marathon thread,+ twice in this thread...
I guess that's where deductive reasoning comes into play...
Anyways,...
Mount the pump to the motor,...
Install a sea-**** to feed it,...( NO, it can't draw thru the alpha)
And, Cut the hose from the alpha between the drive,+ transom, capping the Transom side...
 

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Re: Mercruiser 5.0 mpi overheats at idle (Part II)

Can anyone assist me in finding the correct part numbers i need to fit a bravo pump onto my alpha engine. Now tried two dealers who say they will not be responsible for ordering as if the wrong parts are supplied i cant take them back! Really helpful.....

I think the correct pump is 46-862914T10 not sure on the pulley number
Is the bracket for the pump 8074991?
The idler pulley and bracket that sits above the pump is 865598?

Would be good to see one fitted so i can reference the parts to the manual/parts diagrams, none local to me.

I have a 1 1/4" scoop with grating, ball valve and strainer which will then reduce down to 1" for the pump.

Thanks for your help,

Glenn
 
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