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I like NASCAR, but the races are waaaay too freaking long! I have a hard time giving up that much time to sit and watch one.

Now the NASCAR Trucks are a different story. Short races, lots of amateurs, lots of entertainment. :D
 

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I don't understand

First of all, if you are not into NASCAR, why are you replying in this thread?

A question was ask about the GWC flag, and end up with a bunch of posts about the roundy roundy, too long, I don't like NASCAR. WHY, why did you have to post that? If you like your sport better, should everyone that isn't into that sport stop in and tell you how dumb they think it is.

There are Hockey, Football, Basketball, Baseball topics all the time, but you don't see a bunch of remarks that basically tells everyone you think their sport is dumb and that those that do choose to watch it are a bunch of morons and dumber than a post.
I may have to do that on the new thread on basketball.. What a dumb sport, just running back and forth for a few hours, and the last 3 seconds of the game detemines who wins. And that last three seconds last for 37 minutes. I mean give me a break, why would anybody watch that crap.......

I like NASCAR and I watch as much as I can. If you don't like it, tought, find a different thread to read and reply to.
 

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I don't understand

First of all, if you are not into NASCAR, why are you replying in this thread? ....

Because the US owned TV stations here are force feeding it to us!!! Real sports like test cricket and ODIs are being sidelined because some narcissist in the US thinks that if he likes it, everybody likes it....

If someone can explain the object, apart from being first over the line, I'm all ears....

Chris........
 

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Because the US owned TV stations here are force feeding it to us!!! Real sports like test cricket and ODIs are being sidelined because some narcissist in the US thinks that if he likes it, everybody likes it....

Gee we only have it on 1 channel out of 476 channels on 1 day a weekend. You mean you get the races on all your channels? Or do you only have 1? Yeah I know, that was mean.

None of that is our problem, and if someone wants to talk about NASCAR here on Dockside Chat we shouldn't have to listen to everyone's opinion that doesn't like the sport. If you don't like the way your TV stations play it, and want something done about it, well, talk to your TV programmers, don't hijack someones forum post with your personal dislikes of a sport. I don't jump on any posts about cricket and say I don't like it so no one else should be allowed to talk about. Do I ?????

If someone asks a question about how to start a CrankNBoom outboard, you don't jump in and say you don't like them so they must be a dumb outboards do you? I didn't think so, so why do it to NASCAR threads? That is what i'm getting at with this post.

IF you don't like NASCAR, just don't post to the thread. Leave it for those that do.

Don't get me wrong Chris, I like you and consider you a friend. You just got lucky enough to reply first with a comment that exactly proved my point.
 

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Chris, the object of racing is to win. Period. Win the race, win the season points race, but to win. Second place is first loser. The object is to win.

In order to win, there are different strategies employed. Some deal with tires, some with fuel and pit stop timing, some with avoiding accidents by running in the back till an appointed time (like a lot of marathon runners), some by running in the front to avoid accidents and control the pace of the race, fuel used, tire wear and tear, etc. Lot's of different strategies used and discussed between the driver and the crew chief. Then there is the crew and how well they handle the pit stops - fuel, changing tires, making adjustments, all at unbelievable speed.

To someone that doesn't understand, it can be boring (except for the crashes). But to me, cricket is a boring game. Why? Because I do not understand it and have not taken the time to watch it with the intent to understand it. I love most sports, so if I tried, I would probably be hooked on it in short order.

But again, to answer your question, the object of a race is to win. And the Green-White-Checker finishes adds to the excitement.
 

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....But to me, cricket is a boring game. Why? Because I do not understand it and have not taken the time to watch it with the intent to understand it.....

Which was my original question.... Please explain it to me. I don't understand it. It looks like there is something to it, and that's probably the case as so many people watch it.... Without understanding it I find it pointless and boring.

So, as I asked, can someone please take the time to explain what's the racing about? Say 'To win' is a bit simplistic. Like me saying that the object of cricket is to have the most runs at the end of the game... That's true, but does nothing to help the uninitiated in understanding the intricacies of the game, and thus fully appreciating the skills involved.

So, without jumping all over me for not understanding and asking the question.... Please explain it as I don't understand the attraction....

Don (back at ya)... We have 5 channels here, 2 owned by a nascar/basketball freak. Yes, I could, and because of your unsympathetic reaction probably will, just remove those 2 channels from the memory of the TV. Thus avoiding seeing them when I go channel surfing. Just consider yourself fortunate that you have so many channel to chose from. I do wish I could say the same. Sorry, we also have cable available, at a price (and not a cheap one), which has, oh wait, US TV all over it....

Chris...........

Edit: Has anyone else noticed Don's posts today... very testy. After getting my head bitten off here I looked at another thread I am responding to (please don't bite my head off again in that thread Don :D) and Don was, how do I say this, 'quite short' with another member.
 

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Don, it's okay, really, that not too many people have answered my original question. I didn't really expect too many people to understand it, or be able to defend it. Please, don't get upset.

It does boil down to making the first 480 miles of a 500 mile race next to irrelevant, just like the Chase does to the season. It's a mistake in my opinion, but it will take NASCAR a while to see it my way, I guess! :)
 

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Let me see if I have this right.

I pay a cable bill which used to be COMMERCIAL FREE to watch commercials. Now I have to buy a DVR to skip the commercials?:confused::(

Nah, I'd rather go sit on the bleachers of a high school game or the local dirt track and enjoy myself.

You make a good point! except I made DirecTv give me a free DVR.
 

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I agree with Don.

In fact, on every message board I frequent, and have frequented, and there are many, I notice a phenomenon. Anytime a Nascar thread comes up, the haters come out in full force. It doesn't happen with other sports, just Nascar.
It's quite silly. If you hate it, stay out of the thread. If it's on your TV, change the channel.

Quite silly IMO!

p.s. I'm sipping my decaf right now. :p
 

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Actually, in this case, I welcome the haters. My wife can go from casual fan to hater in 2 seconds. All she has to see is that Digger cartoon thing, and she comes UNGLUED! I appreciate the perspective of people that don't like it. Their complaints are legitimate, at times, and it helps explain why the sport is declining in popularity.
 

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Okay, Chris, let's start again ...

The object of the race is to win. However, not necessarily because there is also the bigger picture of winning the points race at the end of the season. You see, in finishing the race you get so many points for each place, then there is a 5 point bonus for leading a lap, and a 5 point bonus for leading the most laps. Points don't count for the individual races, only positions. It is the points that count towards the end of the season championship trophy.

So in each race you have strategies for the season and strategies for the race. You don't want to get taken out of a race and not be able to finish, leaving you with a very low point total for the race. This is TilliamWe's point. However, I would liken it to marathon runners. Some have different strategies, as mentioned in my earlier post. Everything does lead up to the last 20 - 50 laps of the race where give and take goes out the window and it becomes a dash to the finish.

To win a race takes a great team and a little luck. It is the team and owner that build a car to be able to handle the track they are running on ... each track has different characteristics and needs a different set up on the car. Some tracks are longer than others, some are road courses, some have more turns, higher banking, etc, so tracks are so fast that the cars would literally fly off the track, so that means they have to be restricted in their horsepower, putting the cars on a more level playing field and meaning the drivers and handling set up have to be better than others. The surfaces are different also, which also effects the way the car handles. The cars need more than raw speed, but a skilled driver with quick reflexes and a set up that will keep them on the track with the wheels firmly planted to the pavement at all times. When the car becomes loose it has the tendency to lift and slide around, making it dangerous for the driver and the other cars around.

The pit crew and crew chief have to understand the car and the driver so they can make changes to the car as the race progresses. The temperature of the track, the outside ambient temperature, if the sun is shining or if it is cloudy, the humidity in the air, the altitude of the track, all these effect the handling and performance of the car. Is is the crew and crew chief that must take what they see and what the driver tells them and make the necessary adjustments to the car for optimal success, and they must try to do that in less than 15 seconds, while changing 4 tires and filling the tank with fuel. These are some very talented guys!

The driver must have eyes everywhere (and he has a spotter to help him see what is around the next corner and what is coming up behind him). He must be able to react, but to also refuse to follow his instincts when his spotter is telling him something different. He must also be able to articulate what the car is doing to the crew chief so the can prepare for the necessary changes during the next pit stop, while watching the radar screen to see what is going to happen with the temperature and weather conditions as the race progresses.

Then there are the rules for how the car can be built, where the car can go on what track, how aggressive the drivers can be, the "lucky dog" which allows the first person who has been lapped to get back on the lead lap when a cation comes out, etc.

There is a lot going on during the race, as you can tell. I hope this helps to explain it a little bit to you. Others can chime in.

The original question was about the Green-White-Checker. These are some of the flags that are used during the race. Green for go, White is last lap, Checker for the winner. This year they have established that you cannot win on a caution (yellow) flag. So if a caution comes out on the last lap, the race just got extended. There are 2 laps of racing after a restart now. This means that pit strategy and set up are extremely important, as well as reflexes and timing of the start to get a good jump on the competition when the green flag drops on a G-W-C finish. The leader could have been leading by 10 seconds or more, but when the caution comes out the cars slow down and bunch up, making for an exciting finish, but not always that the best car of the race wins. Is if fair? Not really sure, but it is the same for everyone, so that does make it fair. Is it fun to watch? You betcha!
 

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Agree that the gwc makes for a chaotic "exciting" finish, but think it taints the outcome, or could. Too many teams and friends out there that could/would cause a caution, so a teammate could get a chance to win on the restart.
 

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Agree that the gwc makes for a chaotic "exciting" finish, but think it taints the outcome, or could. Too many teams and friends out there that could/would cause a caution, so a teammate could get a chance to win on the restart.
I don't believe this happens, and if it did, you'd hear about it for sure.
 

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But they are willing to spin and cause a caution for their own benefit, we've seen it plenty of times at Bristol, jeez, Jr was even caught on tape saying he needed a caution, seconds before he miraculously spun without hitting anything, waited for the yellow, then drove off.

Its only a matter of time (if it hasn't happened already) that someone taps another car to cause a caution at the end.
 

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Agree that the gwc makes for a chaotic "exciting" finish, but think it taints the outcome, or could. Too many teams and friends out there that could/would cause a caution, so a teammate could get a chance to win on the restart.

That is exactly one of my original points. And Skargo, I believe it's already happening, and that's precisely why you don't hear about it!
My overriding point is that while Green-White-Checker is better than finishing under caution, I feel that trying it up to 3 times is too much. And in the past, how many races ended under caution? 1 out of 5 or so? Now we are 7 races into the season, how many have had to go to Green-White-Checker? FOUR!!!!! That's too much, and too suspect for me to believe it's all accidental.
 

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In all the conspiracy about teammates wrecking intentionally, why couldn't it happen under the old system. You are clear in the back with a beat up car, your teammate is leading the race with worn out tires, or minimal fuel and second place is right on his bumper looking for a way to get around and has plenty of gas and fairly new tires, only 3 laps to go. Cool, hit the wall and your teammate wins under caution.
 

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Thank you aspeck... I now have a better understanding and will be watching with a different eye. I had no idea there was that much involved. The commentary on the TV is so minimal for people watching. I guess they just expect that whoever's watching already understands the rules and knows the background behind the different tactics.

I once explained cricket to a Canadian and had him converted and a devotee of the sport in a few hours.

So again, thanks for the time you took to explain it to a newbie....

Chris......
 

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Hey, what are friends for??? ;):)
 
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