Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

Birddog48

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I have a Mariner 115 HP outboard on a 1986 16 foot Champion bass boat. Purchased boat, with motor mounted, in June 2009. Last year and starting this year, when I first start up the outboard and travel out to the no wake buoys, it runs fine. Upon acceleration it takes off fine. However, as the day wears on and I stop to fish for a period of time (30 mins., an hour, or more) the engine gets harder and harder to start each time. Once started, I give it a little bit of throttle, up to 1100 rpm (around 4.7 mph) and then give it full throttle (hole shot) to get up and move to new fishing spot. At that moment the engine bogs down and if I don't pull back on the throttle, it will quit. It will sometimes take me 4-6 or 7 attempts but eventually it will get up and once going it runs fine. Had the motor check this spring by an experience outboard mechanic. Compressions are great (120 to 125) for each cylinder. Only 1% to 4% air pressure loss so the rings are good. In idle, the engine runs great and given throttle it does not quit. Only when in gear and needing to move does it quit when doing the hole shot as the day wears on. The mechanic cleaned the carbs, put in new spark plugs, adjusted the idle screws (1 1/4 turns out). Some where 2 or 3 turns out beforehand. I mix the oil (50:1) in the fuel tank (no fuel injection system). Advice is appreciated. Thank you.
 

quebec#1

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

I have a similar problem and some say take out the backdrag jets ? I dont know where they are anyone have some pics ?
 

Chris1956

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

The backdrag jets are not the problem. Do you lose fuel prime?
 

sschefer

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

Do you happen to know if this is what's known as a 2+2 motor. If you look on the port side of the engine just above the fuel pump and you see an accellerator pump then it is.

Let us know what you find. Give us the serial number off the stbd side of the transom bracket and we can figure it out if you don't know.
 

arsenalpsu

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

Do you happen to know if this is what's known as a 2+2 motor. If you look on the port side of the engine just above the fuel pump and you see an accellerator pump then it is.

Let us know what you find. Give us the serial number off the stbd side of the transom bracket and we can figure it out if you don't know.


2+2 on an I-6?
 

sschefer

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

2+2 on an I-6?
Sorry didn't see where he said it was an I-6. I see 86 16 foot boat but no mention of motor year or number of cylinders. I was assuming it was a newer motor.
 

arsenalpsu

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

OH you're right my bad, i just assumed the motor and boat were the same year......we need more info!
 

KTron22

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

I have the same engine, and the same exact problem. My shop is telling me it's due to the increased ethanol in the gas now. It eats at the fuel line and the garbage gets into your carbs.

They want to run new fuel lines and replace the filter and pray to God it's fixed, because the next step is a rebuild of the carbs. Which I had done last year because of the same problem and isn't cheap.

They are telling me I'm not the first person they've had with this same problem.

My husband is convinced that there is something in the tank itself, so we are going to run it this weekend on an alternate tank, but I'm not optimistic.

I'll let you guys know what I find.
 

sschefer

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

I have the same engine, and the same exact problem. My shop is telling me it's due to the increased ethanol in the gas now. It eats at the fuel line and the garbage gets into your carbs.

They want to run new fuel lines and replace the filter and pray to God it's fixed, because the next step is a rebuild of the carbs. Which I had done last year because of the same problem and isn't cheap.

They are telling me I'm not the first person they've had with this same problem.

My husband is convinced that there is something in the tank itself, so we are going to run it this weekend on an alternate tank, but I'm not optimistic.

I'll let you guys know what I find.

Running E-10 can be done but run Stabil E-10 additive with it. This will make the E-10 so it doesn't just clean the gunk out of our tank and pass it on to your carbs. It will cause the gunk to be sort of reblended with the fuel so it doesn't gunk up in your carbs. SeaFoam will do the same thing for you. Try it, you might find that's all you need to do.

As far as hoses are concerned.. There's no doubt that black gunk in the carb bowls is from the inside of your hoses but whether it's ethanol or just hose breakdown from fuel sitting in them is debatable. Boat fuel lines aren't like a car where fuel flows through them on a nearly daily basis unless you use your boat 365X7 like your car.

Usually, not always, fuel lines manufactured after 1989 are O.K. Sometimes you'll find the old stuff as late as 92 but after that the USCG didn't approve any hose that couldn't withstand up to 10% Ethanol in fuels.
 

KTron22

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

sschefer that is some very exciting news...I'm going to pick up the additives tonight and run them through and see if that makes a difference. I would like to also replace the lines and filter if we can figure it out...is it a difficult process?

We're newbies so a step by step would really help or a blow up of the diagram would be pretty awesome.

I'd like to try and tackle this at home rather than wait 2 weeks for my shop which is getting bogged down right now with the Spring Rush.

For a reference, it's a 1986 Mariner 115 I-6.

Thanks again!!!!
 

sschefer

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

sschefer that is some very exciting news...I'm going to pick up the additives tonight and run them through and see if that makes a difference. I would like to also replace the lines and filter if we can figure it out...is it a difficult process?

We're newbies so a step by step would really help or a blow up of the diagram would be pretty awesome.

I'd like to try and tackle this at home rather than wait 2 weeks for my shop which is getting bogged down right now with the Spring Rush.

For a reference, it's a 1986 Mariner 115 I-6.

Thanks again!!!!

The I-6's are not my best subject motor but you can give Faztbullet a PM and I'd bet he'd be willing to help you out. He's Aces and 8's when it comes to these motors.
 

Fed up

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

just last night i replaced all my fuel lines on my boat feeding the same motor that you have...it is not a hard process at all. the thing that i did was i pulled the two tanks after removing the batteries and it was really easy...i used 12 ft of new fuel line with about 1.5ft left over...i also went with new filters and new primer bulbs..

unfortanly it did not fix the problem i am having..lol...but that is out of the way and now on to more complicated process.
 

KTron22

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

I ran the SeaFoam this weekend, 1/2 bottle to about 14 gal of gas. It was a little rough at first, but I'm guessing by the time it got through my system, it was amazing. I'm talking right on plane, super steady speeds. At one point, I had to back off the throttle cuz she was going a bit too fast for me! I turned her off, started her again, dropped anchor and hung out for an hour or so, started her back up...no problem. Three solid days of boating, no lag or stall.

I don't know if this has completely cleared up my problem, but damn if I'm not on the right track.

sschefer I can't thank you enough, I would never have gone the SeaFoam route with out you. :)

Tackling the lines this week. More updates to come...
 

arsenalpsu

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Re: Mariner 115 HP Bogs Down on Hole Shot

If i were you i'd do a link and sync too. From your thread you set the idle screws to 1 1/4 out but never adjusted them on the water?? If that's the case this is your real problem and you're probably running lean at WOT. If you continue to do this you could cause a melt down of your pistons. You want to turn each idle screw out 1/8 turn until you can get a hole shot. I too use Sta-bil at ever fill up and it does help. You also want to put a BB in the small black tubes that goes over the top of each carb. This is the midrange vacuum tube which was put in to save gas at 1/2WOT or so but only causes you to run lean and can also contribute to melted piston crowns.

Running lean is very bad for your inline, i had to rebuild mine this past winter because of it. Also replace your impeller every other year- it's a long way up to #1 and back down your timing to 18 (21 at cranking speed)

If you haven't understood anything i have said here you need to purchase an OEM (original manufacturers manual) which i recommend anyway so you can understand and take care of this tower properly.
 
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