Question about Saltwater Boat

daspin

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I am about to purchase a 2002 Stingray 190LS. This boat originally came from Fort Peirce Florida and was used in Salt Water. It has 52 hours on it, and sat on a lift when not in use. Cost of the boat is $13,500

I am buying the boat for Fresh Water lake use only.

What concerns, if any, should I have that this boat was originally used in Salt Water? Would this be a deal breaker?

Thanks so much in advance boating experts!
 

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What concerns, if any, should I have that this boat was originally used in Salt Water? Would this be a deal breaker?

Ayuh,... Unfortunately, you Don't mention the Driveline,...
If it's an I/O, It'd be a Deal Breaker if the exhaust manifolds,+ risers are Original,...
They're WAY past their useful life,+ WAY overdue for Replacement...

If it's an Outboard,...
I'd think a full diagnostic evaluation/ Survey would be Necessary, as a Saltwater motor might be Corroded to Oblivion by now...
 

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sorry.. It's a 4.3 I/O Mercruiser...

So really? A deal breaker.
 

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sorry.. It's a 4.3 I/O Mercruiser...

So really? A deal breaker.

Ayuh,... Saltwater can be Very Cruel to boat motors,+ drives...
If you don't know what you're lookin' at,....

Get it Surveyed by somebody who Does....
It's money well Saved in the end...

How it's been Cared for,+ maintained is what Matters as to what's left...
Clock time means NOTHING...
In many ways,.. Sittin' is Worse than Runnin'....
 

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Thank you so much!!! You may have just saved my Thousands of dollars!!!!! I truly truly appreciate your insight!
 

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don't take this to mean any boat that has been in salt water is a walk-away. The good advice above pertains to I/O's. A salt water outboard is no problem, especially if it's on a lift. So when you are looking at the next boat....

The real problem is a boat that's used 7 hours a year for 8 years. (In Florida? sound suspicious?) If the guy ran salt water through it 100 hours a year you'd be better off. That pertains to an outboard, too.
 

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Thanks for the advice!! I'll continue looking for a fresh water boat.. What a shame.. This deal was just about finished.. Was just on my way to get certified cheque.. I ran the HIN to check for anything.. sigh.. Thought I had a new boat to replace my 18 foot bayliner... I'll keep looking!

Serious guys.. Many thanks.. Its dissapointing, but still. I'm glad I asked. Better safe than sorry.. $13,500 might not be alot to some people, but it is to me.
 

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Hold on now.....don't walk away just yet.

You said 52 hours on a 8 year old boat.

52 hours is NOTHING on an outboard or I/O.
The 8 year old part is.
Find out why this owner only put on such low hours in 8 years.
Climb in the boat, open the motor cover and have a look around.

52 hours should show very few signs, if any, of saltwater corrosion. In fact, the engine and surrounding area should show NO signs of having seen a drop of saltwater.

Exhaust risers are cast iron....they rust...you can't see the insides.
But if you can verify the 52 hours....it's a sure bet there is very little rust (depends....time factors)

The exhaust connects to "bellows" style rubber gaskets that keep water out of the manifold and U-joints. If the bellows do not leak...then there is no water intrusion into the exhaust.
Ya gotta verify all this.
Look for.....corroded hose clamps, age telltale signs like hard and cracked bellows, outdrive up or down on storage (up "expands" the bellows and exposes them to more elements....sun ect.

If risers rusted out with 52 hours of use.....I/O's would go the way of the dinosaur real fast....no one would touch them.

Take a mechanic with you who is familiar with marine engines.

One thing you want to verify is....was the owner speaking about 52 hours on a rebuild or original hours.
A rebuild might be cause of concern....or not.....if the exhaust risers were replaced also.

Find out if the motor was fresh water flushed before storage.
Saltwater sitting in the risers (if any) for 8 years would be disaster.
The risers on my diesel powered I/O are pristine, with 7 years and 1400 hours use. Never touched freshwater.
But I flush after every use and change out the bellows on schedule.

Don't let the fact that it's an I/O make it an absolute deal breaker.
It could very well be a hell of a deal.
 

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well now you got me thinking again.. HAHA.. It's a great looking boat, and I REALLY want it!! The boat only has 52 hours on it as it was just rarely used. Apparently it sat on a lift for 3 years without being touched. With makes me think could be a problem in itself. Sitting on a boat lift near salt water for 3 years without being touched would still have salt water corrossion issues I would think from the moisture in air and being just above the water. I don't know for sure though. I'll have a look for the signs you mentioned. I'm best to bring a mechanic with me for sure so I'll try and hook that up.
 

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. Sitting on a boat lift near salt water for 3 years without being touched would still have salt water corrossion issues I would think from the moisture in air and being just above the water.QUOTE]

ChaChing....now your thinking......I like it!!

Proceed with caution, but don't let that one fact chase you away. Look, listen and verify!!

There are many reasons why the owner did not use the boat....no money, no time, cranky significant other..... or lost interest.

You could be on the verge of getting a practically new engine or worst case.......a pile of rusting iron.

If you or your mechanic see something obviously not up to snuff.....adios baby or be prepared to do some wrench turning/parts purchases.
 

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ok, so the seller says the boat runs perfect. And is willing to Warranty any powertrain.Engine issues until end of July. I live waterfront, so I will be able to get alot of use out of it until then. I have also contacted a marine surveyor who will come inspect the boat. I will tell the seller that if all these pass, I will make the deal.

So what do you think? Invest the money for the survey etc and Go for it? I would think the surveyor would be able to identify any issues, and that written warranty from the seller will give me 3 months of boating to test.
 

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ask the surveyor to opine on hull damage from sitting on a lift. A hull can warp if not supported correctly.

Don't fear the salt. It's in our blood.
 

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Perfect..Will do..

I have in the meantime told the seller I will book a surveyor and have my marine mechanic look at the boat. This in addition to the water test. Will let you know how it goes!

Thanks guys!
 

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Hold on now.....don't walk away just yet.

You said 52 hours on a 8 year old boat.

52 hours is NOTHING on an outboard or I/O.
The 8 year old part is.
Find out why this owner only put on such low hours in 8 years.
Climb in the boat, open the motor cover and have a look around.

52 hours should show very few signs, if any, of saltwater corrosion. In fact, the engine and surrounding area should show NO signs of having seen a drop of saltwater.
Don't let the fact that it's an I/O make it an absolute deal breaker.
It could very well be a hell of a deal.

That's not entirely true, Bond-o is right, maintenance schedules for I/Os in saltwater is every 100hrs OR 1yrs and the risers and manifolds MUST be replaced every 200hrs OR 2yrs, even if you only took the boat out once a year.

Salt starts eating pits into the risers and manifolds the instant they hit saltwater. 52hrs sounds almost too low to be true, could be a faulty hr meter, or does it have an hr meter at all? Maybe the seller is just guessing. Or it could be a second owner and the hr meter was replaced...resetting it at zero at some point.

I'm not saying its not a good deal, unfortunately there's only one way to tell if the risers and manifolds are any good..and that's to take them off and check inside. The labor for that is typically at least $400. Even if they are fine, if this owner never did the 100hr service that's going to need to be done due to its age and that will run you about $900.00 for the 4.3L.

When it comes to I/Os and salt water all of the maintenance schedules say 100hrs OR 1yr for standard maintenance. I/O's also have the 200hr OR 2yr maintenance which is due and can cost up to $1800.00 because it includes the riser, gimbal, bellows, fluids, seals, lower water pump, etc.

The fact is, its a buyers market, I wouldn't consider any of these deal breakers, but they are definitely negotiating points. Would be surprised if you couldn't get that boat for $9,000. The warranty offer through July sounds good but will that hold up in court, and will it be worth the hassle, and more than likely it won't show problems that soon.

Even if the risers are shot, it probably won't overheat (classic sign the risers are gone) for a few months. Thats when it all starts falling apart. Whenever I get a new boat I immediately get the 100hr service no matter what the hr meter says. Its to ensure all the fluids are current, all the joints are greased, and there are no major lurking problems that will result in much costlier repairs later.

Did you cross shop that price at all? When I'm down to the final price I put the boat and year into Google and see what its being asked for all across the country. This is a better way to tell if its a good deal vs using NADA or the local market. $13K for a 19' from 2002 sounds a little high, but I'm in FL, here boats are dirt cheap.
 

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That's not entirely true, Bond-o is right, maintenance schedules for I/Os in saltwater is every 100hrs OR 1yrs and the risers and manifolds MUST be replaced every 200hrs OR 2yrs, even if you only took the boat out once a year.

Salt starts eating pits into the risers and manifolds the instant they hit saltwater. .

That's not entirely true.
That model Merc I/O has "dry" exhaust, EDP coated risers and exhaust manifolds.
With bellows in good shape and not leaking, there should be no water getting into the risers or exhaust manifold.

RELIABILITY
Thunderbolt V Hi-Energy Ignition and platinum-tipped spark plugs ensure reliable starts
Dry-joint exhaust eliminates the chance for water to enter engine through leaky gaskets
Water-separating fuel filter helps protect fuel system and engine against damage
Industry-exclusive 3-year limited corrosion failure warranty
Proven GM cast iron block V6 power for years of reliable operation
EDP-coated exhaust elbows resist temperature and corrosion for long life

Exhaust System EDP Coated Iron Manifold with EDP Coated Dry-joint Elbow

http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/inboards/sterndrives/tks4-3l_features.php

I could be wrong and suggest a competent marine engine mechanic do some exploring.
 

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You guys have given me so much to think about... I did cross shop the price and its pretty on par with other similar boats around here. Im in Ontario Canada so boats up here are more expensive. Now that our dollar is n par with yours theres some great deals to be had shopping US though, but finding that deal, and then getting the boat here and transferring it isnt that easy. Alot of people do it, If I could find a good deal on a Buffalo boat I'd be interested since I can drive there in about 3 hours, but anything beyond that is difficult. Funny thing is, this Stingray I am buying from up here is indeed a Florida boat from Fort Pierce. A dealer up here must have bought it dirt cheap and brought it up here.

If I could find a really incredible deal in Florida and could get someone there to inspect it, it would likely be worth the money to have it shipped up here. I mean, thats what this guy did that I am buying from. So if he's charging me 13K, that means he bought it real cheap, and is obviously in business to make a nice profit.

maybe I should find my own Florida deal and have it shipped.
 

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Well here's an example:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/boa/1685500691.html

6yrs newer, $1K less, more realistic hours, and approximately the same make/model as the one you are considering oh and I guarantee you if you brought them a cash offer they'd take $9K-$10K its the way things are done on CL. I couldn't tell from the ad if its a 4.3L or a 3.0L which would impact the price.

marcotez, I'm not a marine mechanic, all I know is I had a 2001 Glastron with the 4.3L and I paid close attention to everything the mechanic told me when it was in for service. I also got the service manual for the boat which included how to repair the engine and I remember the maintenance schedule. I could be way off base, but I've had I/O's of all sizes from 4.3 up to 5.7 for the last 12yrs and was always boating in salt water.

Every mechanic I talked to over the yrs said it was both hrs and time that mattered in salt water.
 

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wow! Thats an insanely good price.. Problem is getting it shipped here.. That's a couple grand at least.. And not being able to see it or test ride it before I buy is an issue too.. I should look into getting someone down there to help me out with buying and shipping a boat back here for me.. Looks like you have incredible deals!!!
 

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That's normal here, if I'd searched Miami itd be even better prices. Sounds like you might need to take a drive down here, would make a nice vacation, bookmark about 20 boats, see FL, check out boats, what could be better?
 
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