why no pee?

[MaddysDaddy]

i hae a old sportwin and was looking for some help, where is the water intake, and where is the pee hole, just got it started for the first time and i didnt seee a discharge. it was smokin like crazy, i have it in a trash can filled well above where i think the intake is, but no pee, standing at the back of the motor looking at the bow there is a hole on the left side, with the cover off the motor i can see a 1" rubber hose attached, but it does not discharge any water. just smoke or maybe steam

after runin for a few minuties i was worryed about it not dissing any water so i shut it down and when i touched the hole on the back of the motor it was very hot, is this normal? maybe cause it wasn't in gear only ran in nutral

also i wouldnt stay runin at low rpms is this a related problem?

thanks for reading and thanks for your help

 

[Trollin69]

Re: why no pee?

There is most likely a problem here and you were right to shut it down. I had a 9.9 hp that did the same thing but you know, some motors are different. The impeller is most likely gone bad but I'm not sure of the sport twin model.. One common problem with some is the grommet connecting the power head expands over time with the heat and eventually cuts off the water flow from the pump (impeller). This is most likely not the cause because there is no water at all. Check the impeller first by pulling the lower unit off.

 

[Mas]

Re: why no pee?

Anything that's hotter than a 3 second hold is too hot. Do not run the motor until the cooling issue is sorted out. I'm not sure of the plumbing on that motor...but you're probably needing a new water pump.

What is the model/serial number?

What fuel/oil ratio are you using?

Mas

 

[MaddysDaddy]

Re: why no pee?

i used my weed wacker gas i think its 40:1 i think the motor take 50:1 but i always heard that too much oil is better then not, its my first boat, i got it 2 days ago and i finely had a free hour to try to get it started, I HAD TO!!
i havent had much time to talk to other boat owneers in person but i know its should discharge,
Is a water pump something i can do in my driveway? how much will one cost?

 

[MaddysDaddy]

Re: why no pee?

by the way was i right about the location of the peehole

 

[Mas]

Re: why no pee?

If the motor is a 1950s, then 24:1 is required. If earlier, then may be 16:1. I'm not sure when the sportwin was first made, but knowing the model number would help determine the ratio.

Mas

 

[Tim Frank]

Re: why no pee?

i used my weed wacker gas i think its 40:1 i think the motor take 50:1 but i always heard that too much oil is better then not, its my first boat, i got it 2 days ago and i finely had a free hour to try to get it started, I HAD TO!!

Your weed-wacker uses a different type of oil than your O/B. They shouldn't be switched.

 

[Wishiniwuzfishin]

Re: why no pee?

I can't guarantee my information since you couldn't be specific on the year of your motor, but like Mas mentioned I think you should be using at least a 24:1 oil ratio and maybe 16:1 if its really old. Make sure the oil is TC-W3 approved. Also there should be a hole (or holes) in the housing between the powerhead and gearbox that should be shooting out water and exhaust when running. The holes are approx. 1 to 1 1/2" in diameter. (I have several motors....some the holes are right under the powerhead ...some about halfway down). On mine the water spray varies from a mist to a shower like discharge. If you post the model number someone can tell you the year of your motor.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

Re: why no pee?

where is the model no. on my sportwin

 

[Rick.]

Re: why no pee?

It is stamped on a metal tag on the transom mount on the port side. Rick.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

Re: why no pee?

thanks i will check that out, i did see a flat spot on the mount that looked like a good place to stamp a model number but no thing there just smooth.
the whole motor has been repainted, i think it has been removed and the area preped and painted, the motor is all paintd the same color (inside and out) and no decals other then the sport twin on the front.
the ony numbers i could find where located on the inside of the motor housing, i didnt write them down and now its raining but maybe i can look up those part numbers for clues i will try to get pics up, thanks

 

[MaddysDaddy]

Re: why no pee?

yeah i think maybe i should try the proper gas/oil in the river and see how it does

 

[bthompson]

Re: why no pee?

If the motor is a 1950s, then 24:1 is required. If earlier, then may be 16:1. I'm not sure when the sportwin was first made, but knowing the model number would help determine the ratio.

Mas

I run 50:1 in my '55 Johnson 5.5 horse and in all my vintage chainsaws. Oil ration is a big discussion on the chainsaw bbs that I belong to. The large majority consensus is that between 40 and 50 to one is fine as long as you use good TCW-3 oil and decent gas. Up here in MN, it is almost impossible to find non-oxygenated fuel, but if you can, use that. Keep away from high doses of ethanol if you can, too. I ended up running 10-15% ethanol, but just don't keep it more than a month. Over a month and it goes in the '89 pickup.

Some of the guys run up to 100:1, but I do not do that with my equipment. Straight 50:1, but I do run separate oil for my air coiled 2-cycles and my water cooled 2-cycles.

However, this does not help you and the water issue. I totally agree that you need to check the impeller.

 

[MaddysDaddy]

Re: why no pee?

yeah im not gonna try to start it again untill i it on the water, i cant figure out what model it is so i guess its gonna get 50:1

 

[Mas]

Re: why no pee?

If you're guessing, you better use 24:1. In the late 50's/early 60's, they started using better bearings that would allow for a 50:1 ratio. Prior to that, anything less than 24:1 would cook things and cause premature failure.

If you cannot find the numbers, post a pic of your motor...someone will ID yours in a jiffy!

Low oil ratio plus no water cooling...you might as well throw your motor away!

Mas

 

[bthompson]

Re: why no pee?

If you're guessing, you better use 24:1. In the late 50's/early 60's, they started using better bearings that would allow for a 50:1 ratio. Prior to that, anything less than 24:1 would cook things and cause premature failure.

If you cannot find the numbers, post a pic of your motor...someone will ID yours in a jiffy!

Low oil ratio plus no water cooling...you might as well throw your motor away!

Mas

Didn't realize that there was a difference. What kind of bearings did they use on the early motors? Please understand that I am not being sarcastic. Hard to tell that on a forum. Chainsaws of that vintage did not have that type of issue, but they have not been around as long, either.

 

[Tim Frank]

Re: why no pee?

Didn't realize that there was a difference. What kind of bearings did they use on the early motors? Please understand that I am not being sarcastic. Hard to tell that on a forum. Chainsaws of that vintage did not have that type of issue, but they have not been around as long, either.

Some used bronze bushings.

 

[Mas]

Re: why no pee?

Friction bearings (bushings) vs. needle bearings.

Still need to know the model to know the oil ratio.

Mas

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: why no pee?

All 5.5's up through 1960 had bushing bearings, so at least 24:1 mix is a must. I believe they called out 16:1 on those. 1961 and 62, they had needle bearings and they still called out 24:1. Believe it or not, I had an old 5.5 that I ran 50:1 on and so did the previous owner. I guess since the motor was so old and worm out, we got away with it.

 

[bthompson]

Re: why no pee?

All 5.5's up through 1960 had bushing bearings, so at least 24:1 mix is a must. I believe they called out 16:1 on those. 1961 and 62, they had needle bearings and they still called out 24:1. Believe it or not, I had an old 5.5 that I ran 50:1 on and so did the previous owner. I guess since the motor was so old and worm out, we got away with it.

That is what I have been doing. Looks like I will have to add a bit more oil to that one. Glad I took the time to ask.