Mercruiser 5.7 EFI Fuel pump noise normal? With video.

96lt4c4

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I have inspected the mounts for dings or scratches, I checked the suction line to the pump and the return line to the filter individually with my vacuum pump. Finger over one end vacuum pump on the other ant they hold vacuum. I will try to vacuum test the filter and housing tonight I guess. I know the output /pressure side of the pump and line are good, They hold pressure with no leaks.
 

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I was told the cool fuel system was added to the EFI systems because of and issue. I believe it was because of vapor lock but not 100% sure of that but there was a reason. My motor has it and it works fine so it can be fixed. Don't dump the system. Try pressurizing the system from the pickup to the output. Maybe have a spray bottle with soapy water to check the fittings.
 

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Last night I put the boat back together. I read on another forum about a guy with a MPI 502 that was having vapor lock problems. He ended up returning his fuel directly back to the tank instead of the filter. He said this does 2 things, it lowers fuel temps, and helps keep aerated fuel from going back into the pump. He said his fuel temps lowered 20 degrees. So I ran my return back to the tank through the vent line temporarily and ran the boat this way. My pump ran way quieter and held constant fuel pressure. I am going to install a 1 1/2" by 1/2" copper T in the main fill line and return the fuel to the tank this way.

I also checked base timing and ohmed out the coil, both checked good. Base timing is 8* BTDC.

I plan on running the boat this weekend at the lake with the gauge installed since I have not done this yet, to verify pressure holds at WOT.

Also you do not need any tools other than a timing light to check base timing. There is a tan /black wire in the 4 wire connector on the back of the distributor. Cut this wire and splice in a water proof connector, I like to get these off of junk GM cars, they are weather pack style connectors. Start the boat and let it warm up to operating temp and unplug this wire. You will notice that the timing stops moving around on the balancer with your timing light. Set base timing and shut the engine down. Plug the wire back in and start the engine, now the ECM will take back over your timing and your base timing is set. This is the same way it is done on GM TBI cars and trucks. I only use solder and heat shrink on all my splices, do not twist wires together, but splice, or use electrical tape on a boat!

I will report back after my trip to the lake this weekend.
 

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Took the boat out yesterday. Same issue. the boat holds 30 PSI of fuel pressure to WOT. Still back firing though. As soon as I got the boat in the water and everyone loaded up, I idled out of the no wake zone and put the hammer down, WOT. Boat took off, came up on plane then I trimmed up. The boat hit 50 MPH for about 10 seconds then it started back firing. It acted up for the rest of the day. Seems to be heat related. Like once everything gets really good and heat soaked, it starts acting up. I guess I am going to start looking more into ignition problems. So far the boat has a new cap, rotor, module and plugs. the only thing left is the magnetic pickup in the distributor, the coil and the plug wires. I checked the coil per the manual and it checks good. I have a spare that I may stick on just to rule it out. I guess I have to keep going till I find it.
 

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So now the boat has these new parts

-Fuel Pump
-Spark Plugs
-Plug Wires
-Coil
-Distributor (Came with new cap, rotor, and module)
-Fuel Filter

I installed the distributor, wires and coil last night and re-timed the boat. I was able to make the boat back fire on the muffs. I decided to check the interrupt switch for the out drive and it ohms out good. I checked voltage at the coil with the engine running and its 14 volts when revving the engine. I also checked vacuum at idle and its around 17 inHg.

I did some more searching around and found a couple more things that it could be. I saw where a guys tach was intermediately grounding his coil, and where a guy was running to much oil causing the boat to cut out? Never heard of that one before. My tach does seem erratic so I may look into that.
 

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backfiring out the intake is from a intake valve not sealing or cross-firing. Have you check for weak/broken valve springs?
 

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backfiring out the intake is from a intake valve not sealing or cross-firing. Have you check for weak/broken valve springs?


No, but wouldn't that show up as a fluctuation on the vacuum gauge? Vacuum gauge is smooth as silk. Idle is smooth, boat starts good.
 

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maybe, but your only checking vac at idle speed. I would do 2 things .remove the valve covers and either dial indicate the rocker arm travel or something to measure cam lobe lift.
Then gives the valve stems a gentle tap with a hammer, the dull thud is the weak spring
 

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maybe, but your only checking vac at idle speed. I would do 2 things .remove the valve covers and either dial indicate the rocker arm travel or something to measure cam lobe lift.
Then gives the valve stems a gentle tap with a hammer, the dull thud is the weak spring

Ok, I plan on taking the boat out this weekend. I will try to pull the valve covers off tonight and check everything over.

I might check the valve adjustment too, I am pretty sure this engine has never been apart or even had the valve covers pulled off.
 
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So now the boat has these new parts

-Fuel Pump
-Spark Plugs
-Plug Wires
-Coil
-Distributor (Came with new cap, rotor, and module)
-Fuel Filter



Just for the heck of it, pull off your distributor cap and look for arching tracks. I had a brand new cap n rotor as part of a tune up. Turned out the cap and or rotor were bad. The cap had a cut with arching burn marks 1/4 way through the insulator around the center button. When that was replaced, problem solved. Sometimes it is the simple things we overlook. BTW, new distributor from Mercruiser I presume? My engine had the distributor replaced (years ago) and it came with a cap & rotor. The problem was that the cap had aluminum terminals, not brass, as should be used in marine applications. When I asked the mechanic about this, he said I agree with you, but that is how the manufacturer ships the new distributor.
 

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This is the distributor I bought. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-850200/overview/make/chevrolet The cap has brass terminals and the body is CNC machined. Much nicer than the stock Merc unit.

I went ahead and readjusted the valves, they were a little tight, a full turn past zero lash. I set them to 1/2 turn. I gained some vacuum at idle, around 18 inches now. I also wired in a permanent MIL to see if I had any codes set and there are not. I found something odd though I tapped into the 12 volt wire in the harness that runs from the coil to the back of the distributor to get switched 12 volts form my MIL. When I pull the pink wire out of that harness (2 wire harness) there was a resistor wired in. It measured like 6-7 ohms. I cut this out and wired it straight. The only reason I think that it was in there was because at high RPM the module in the distributor might see 14 volts for a long period of time and start to get hot. I also disconnected my Tach at the dash.

We shall see how she runs this weekend.
 

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This is the distributor I bought. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-850200/overview/make/chevrolet The cap has brass terminals and the body is CNC machined. Much nicer than the stock Merc unit.

I went ahead and readjusted the valves, they were a little tight, a full turn past zero lash. I set them to 1/2 turn. I gained some vacuum at idle, around 18 inches now. I also wired in a permanent MIL to see if I had any codes set and there are not. I found something odd though I tapped into the 12 volt wire in the harness that runs from the coil to the back of the distributor to get switched 12 volts form my MIL. When I pull the pink wire out of that harness (2 wire harness) there was a resistor wired in. It measured like 6-7 ohms. I cut this out and wired it straight. The only reason I think that it was in there was because at high RPM the module in the distributor might see 14 volts for a long period of time and start to get hot. I also disconnected my Tach at the dash.

We shall see how she runs this weekend.
Did you notice this in the description?

Marine Use:
No
 

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Did you notice this in the description?

Marine Use:
No

No but this one is.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8366

The distributor that was in the boat is a GM automotive distributor. Exact same one that's in my truck.

The MSD version is the exact same distributor as the Summit other than the the MSD has a different magnetic pickup in it. The Summit has the same pickup as the Merc/GM. All have vents in them like the Merc/GM. If you ask me the stock distributor that came out was never made for marine use, it was made for a car or truck. Thats why it was corroded so bad. The stock Merc cap had aluminum lugs in it that were almost gone, this one has brass.

Either way the boat is FIXED! Thank god!

Boat ran awesome all day today. I was able to run 55 MPH fully loaded down and a full tank of gas. Used almost a full tank of gas too.

Since I was able to make the boat back fire in the drive way with the new distributor, coil and wires I am not real sure that fixed it. The best it ran in the driveway was after I readjusted the valves and cut that resistor out of the coil to module harness.

The boat pulls hard down low and jumps out of the water. I was so happy when I nailed it coming out of the no wake zone and it just took off!
 

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Well hope you don't go on my lake with auto parts that are supposed to be marine. There is a reason it has NO for marine use.
 

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Well hope you don't go on my lake with auto parts that are supposed to be marine. There is a reason it has NO for marine use.


Chances are that will never happen, but just in case it did I think we would all be safe.

You know as well as I do Summit Racing does not make that distributor. Someone else does and they put their name on it. Like I said its the same as the MSD.

When I installed the distributor I remembered seeing a SAE number machined into the body of the distributor.....



http://standards.sae.org/j1171_200406/

Its a MARINE distributor :)

I understand there is a reason for marine only parts, but when it comes down to it, these boats have car engines in them that have been converted for marine use.

Someone at Summit didn't do their homework.
 
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