I/O vs Outboard battle another point of view

nasdaqsam

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It's the beginning of boating season after a long cold winter. You put the docks and hoist in the water. You prep your baby, In my case my 1996 Sweetwater tripletoon I bought new with a 115 Yamaha that for the most part has never given me a lick of trouble since I bought her. The toons are polished, the pristine interior is cleaned, change the lower unit oil, the plugs in prep for the boating season. She goes on the hoist....... your ready for summer. You take her out for the first run of the season meeting some friends for dinner. The dinner conversation between you and the wife is she wants to head home early before it gets dark in case we break down. My response, relax dear she's a great boat and always gotten us home. On the trip home BAM she quits right there in the middle of the lake at 9:30 at night. This boat has never let you down, remember? You eventually get her running and limp home making a 15 minute trip into an hour and a half trip. You Spend the better part of the next day getting it towed to your trailer and drop it off at a friend of yours that's a mechanic to see if its something simple. He runs a few tests and finds a couple little things but it is over his head and it is knocking. You call all the local marinas and every outboard mechanism you can locate in a two state area. The same answer across the board. Bring it in drop it off....... we will get to it "when" we can but if its major and needing a rebuild or another engine we are a month or more out at best. So summer on the lake is over. Not to even mention a good outboard mechanic gets twice the going rate of a great auto mechanic.

The thing about an I/O is any decent auto mechanic can be found easily. I have a half dozen friends that are top notch mechanics but won't touch an outboard. So for me its an I/O.

The other thing is reading the back and fourth discussions over the years about gas mileage I get that but I would rather pay a little extra than be with out a boat. The tight working area is a pain but again better than no boat.

And the last point that is always brought up is that there is a little difference between the big outboard and big block I/O's. True but as outboards get bigger and bigger to keep up you have to swap engines or buy a new bought every other year with an I/O you can super charge and many more performance add on's at a fraction of the cost of a new motor or boat.

So there is my take on it as a 19 year pontoon boat owner that for many years had the only tripletoon doing 28 to 30 GPS around here. With the old girl laid up I had to make a decision or go with out boating for the summer.

Luckily I found a nice 2007 Southbay Trifecta with a.425 hp 496HO with only 42 hours on her. Should have her late next week. Maybe I will be singing a different toon next year but for now I am very excited to get her in the water and hammer down.
 
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bruceb58

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It's not the engine on an I/O that's an issue, it's the drive itself where it gets complicated.
 

Scott Danforth

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its all man-made, so it will all eventually fail. good point of view however.
 

nasdaqsam

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It's not the engine on an I/O that's an issue, it's the drive itself where it gets complicated.

Bruce, you mean as a failure point? Or difficult to get to? If its failure I have read the outcries on the 496 is good for quite a bit more HP than stock, not that I would ever go to a 1000 HP but it should be able to handle up to 650 easily. Again I think the 425 will be more than enough for me a while. But even if it needs work basic mechanics can rebuild an outdrive.
 

nasdaqsam

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its all man-made, so it will all eventually fail. good point of view however.

I agree I am just looking for when it does I want it fixed as fast as possible. The summers short I need to be on the water. And I have to admit being an old hot rodder from way back I am pining to flip that captains choice exhaust switch the next time some run about blows by like I am bothering them. lol
 
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Bamaman1

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I've had a couple of I/O boats, and also had two blown engines. The outdrives are the biggest issue to me as they'll eventually have to have new bellows, etc. The design of the bellows makes them easy to leak. At least a bellows leak on a tritoon will not sink the whole boat--been there, done that.

But I understand a big block, big horsepower tritoon is hard to pass up. Too bad they're not as good performing as they sound.
 

nasdaqsam

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I agree on the bellows a definite failure point I had a 25' Crownline I almost to a cracked bellows. The BB captains choice exhaust is a big reason I like this boat. Were we live there is a gut between NY and VT we go through on a pretty regular basis. It never fails with the previous pontoon all the boats see a pontoon and immediately hit it to get by us (they never do I had just enough to stay ahead before having to go to no wake going in and coming out that it would take a pretty fast boat to get by for the next cut. At a max speed of 28 to 30 they would end up passing me and were typically surprised the old girl had that in her but it would be sooooo much more fun the next time to flip the exhaust and watch the look on their faces. I think that alone is worth the price of admission.

I am not sure I understand what you mean by not as good performing though. this boat has been GPS'd over 60mph. All though since it is not in my possession yet that's not been verified by me yet. I would think anything above 55mph would be considered fairly descent performance. Is there a stock toon with an outboard running faster than that?

There's a new 24' tritoon Bennington at one of the local marina's here with a 350 Yamaha on it running right at the 55mph mark.
 

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On my lake, it's to the point where many have moved from bowrider to Pontoon. On a busy day, it will be 10 pontoons to one bowrider. There used to be lots of go fast boat and they are mostly just gone. We still have our bowrider but went and test drove some pontoons at the local marina who did a demo day on our lake. They sell Premier and as much as I liked the Tritoons we tested, the 24 footer which was the entry level to the luxury line so had a lot of corners cut had a 150 and got abut 32 on the pitot speedo. It got there in an acceptable amount of time but there was absolutely zero midrange power. There are a couple Premiers with twin 300's on the lake but I've never seen them go over 10mph as they slowly go by my dock. I get my speed fix now from my new Waverunner so maybe could live without much more than 30 on a pontoon as the Waverunner is the fastest 0 to 70 (where the limiter kicks in) as I've ever experienced. When I ride the waverunner, I wonder how they are even legal sometimes. Any speed to any other speed like 0 to 30 or 30 to 60 or 15 to 40 or whatever is more instant than I thought possible on the water.
 

dls322

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Best of luck with the I/O. I will never buy an I/O toon seeing how i have had nothing but problems with them and also so have my friends, I like knowing that at the end of the day i can always just pony up and buy a new outboard and slap in on the back and call it done.
 

nasdaqsam

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On my lake, it's to the point where many have moved from bowrider to Pontoon. On a busy day, it will be 10 pontoons to one bowrider. There used to be lots of go fast boat and they are mostly just gone. We still have our bowrider but went and test drove some pontoons at the local marina who did a demo day on our lake. They sell Premier and as much as I liked the Tritoons we tested, the 24 footer which was the entry level to the luxury line so had a lot of corners cut had a 150 and got abut 32 on the pitot speedo. It got there in an acceptable amount of time but there was absolutely zero midrange power. There are a couple Premiers with twin 300's on the lake but I've never seen them go over 10mph as they slowly go by my dock. I get my speed fix now from my new Waverunner so maybe could live without much more than 30 on a pontoon as the Waverunner is the fastest 0 to 70 (where the limiter kicks in) as I've ever experienced. When I ride the waverunner, I wonder how they are even legal sometimes. Any speed to any other speed like 0 to 30 or 30 to 60 or 15 to 40 or whatever is more instant than I thought possible on the water.

We just sold our 2013 Yamaha FX Cruiser SHO. Amazing how quick they are. Actually that was the main reason for selling it. I loved it but the wife was worried about the kids.

As for the pontoon, If mine had not blown we would have been quite happy to keep our 28/30 mph tritoon. I would have to say mine being a Sweetwater was maybe on the lower side of mid level by today's standards but with the mirrored pontoons, all the upgrades I have done over the years, new carpet and mint interior you wouldn't know she is 19 years old. She looks better than a lot 5 year old toon's that have not been taken care of. Of course she has always been garage kept in the winter and sits under a full enclosure on the hoist so never really seen a lot of sun and only seen rain a few times when caught on the lake so that makes a big difference. Its amazing seeing how people buy brand new ones and just leave them out with no cover at all.

I think we have decided to definitely get the engine reman'd, get a new mooring cover and new 1/2 camper canvas and bring her to Florida. We were going to get one eventually down there anyway so might as well be one we know and has a good engine now. Outboard engine mechanics are much easier to find there than here also.
 
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