'CLUNK' under load, '93 Evin v4 140hp looper, good dogs, wrong lower unit?

vtonian

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Put on an older, used LU on my '93 140hp v4 looper, fine on muffs and in the water in forward at idle, but then clunked loud and hard about every 2 seconds at forward slow, and about every half second with a little more throttle. Didn't do it in reverse though.

Seemed like the dogs hopping so I adjusted the control linkage to put more pressure on the shifter and it stopped clunking until about quarter throttle. Adjusted on some more pressure and got it to hold under 3/4 thottle, until the boat came out of the hole and the rpm's climbed up, then it clunked about every 3 seconds. I only let it happen a couple times each test before shutting down.

By that time, it was adjusted so far for forward that it started clunking when in reverse, so I pulled the boat back to the shop to check the gear oil for metal and/or water.

Oil looks pretty good but there is a little metal dust and it was clean, new oil when I started.

Anything I should check or adjust before I tear it down again?

The full story includes that this LU came with a one piece shaft that was ~1/2" shorter than my old 2 piece shaft, so I bought a new lower shaft and OMC shim gauge and shimmed it to the OMC manual specs, but without the jig, having read on another forum that it could be done that way if you were careful. I measured it to be a loose .004", so went with .005", to err on the long side, this unit having a little wear on the gears (although nothing visible on the dogs).

I also swapped in my old shift shaft, and set that carefully per the specs, although w/o the special tool.

The fact that pressure on the control linkage helped is confusing, I would have thought that the detents in the shift shaft would hold the gears in position.

It occurred to me that maybe this was a LU from a lower HP motor and although the internals look identical to the eye, maybe there's something just a little different about older LU's, the dogs have a slight angle to their mating faces or the detent spring is a little weaker or the upper shift rod lever had more throw, or something that would make it unable to perform with the 140's increased HP.

Any ideas what to look for when I tear it down again?

Sorry for the long post, tried to keep it short but also include pertinent info. Thanks for looking.
 

flyingscott

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The detents will not hold the motor in gear by forcing it you run the risk of bending the linkages. So you either have a bad dog or forward gear or when you shimmed it is out of spec and the gears themselves are jumping
 

Tim Frank

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How have you concluded that you have "good dogs" per your subject line?
 

vtonian

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I just did a visual when I tore it down to inspect it and shim the new lower drive shaft, before I installed it. As I recall, they only had very slightly rounded corners. Is there a professional way to assess them?

I just tore it down again and am calling the ASPCA, these dogs are definitely beat to death now. I'm looking for some photo evidence to confirm whether my eyesight is really that bad and they were shot from the beginning, or if I should look for something else that might have caused this. Any thoughts?

Then I guess I'm going hunting for some parts. Wah.

Thanks for responding, nice to know there is intelligent life out there.
 

flyingscott

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they really shouldn't be rounded at all. The only thing that holds the dog in place when it is running is the fact you have two machined surfaces coming together the spring and detent will not hold it in gear.
 

Tim Frank

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As I recall, they only had very slightly rounded corners. Is there a professional way to assess them?
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​In my experience, if roundness even enters your mind when looking at the dogs you should be changing them.
 

vtonian

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Well, that's good to know, I thought a little would be ok since they crash together every shift. Lesson learned. Any advice for picking out a replacement? At this point, I'm not sure I would buy another 'good used' one from my grandmother. OTOH, all new parts or an SEI are not in the budget. Any tips for picking out a used one? Aside from a good seller reputation and an easy return policy?
 

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Right now there is a set of brand new gears has the pinion, reverse and forward gear and shifting dog on ebay less than $300. Probably aftermarket but they are new and it lists your motor for a fit.
 

vtonian

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Good catch, FS, thanks for letting me know about that. I found one of my screw-ups that may have caused the damage. When installing the new drive shaft seals, I drove the first one down until it seated, instead of just until there was room for the second seal. When I was trying to re-check the shim sizing today, the gap was much larger and variable, then I noticed that the bearing housing wasn't sitting down tight on the thrust washer, the seal was preventing the housing from going all the way down the drive shaft. I had the housing screwed down tight so it wasn't entirely loose and I'm not sure exactly how the geometry would have been affected but it's obviously not right. The thing I did was set the shims with the old seals in, then replaced them afterwards, thinking to prevent any seal damage with all the on and off.

Outboard motor school is kinda expensive....

Thanks much guys.
 
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