Help, Cant' locate replacement fuel pressure regulator 5.7LX EFI

hnt

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1996 5.7LX EFI S/N 0F761024

I have isolated a faulty fuel pressure regulator using the diagnostic tests in Service Manual #17.

The fuel pressure regulator part number is Mercruiser part # 852955 (This is a 30psi regulator)

This part number is no longer available and there are none in inventory anywhere.

I called Mercruiser and they said that there is not a superseded part listed but after a lot of digging they were able to give me a GM part number 17113192

according to GM that part number is no longer available either and they do not list a replacement.

I have searched the web and cannot find a source for either part number.

Any ideas? I cant't be the only one

Thanks,

Henry
 

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Yours shows the VST with TBI. The regulator is in the TB and sends fuel back to the VST tank.
The newer ones use cool fuel with an additional regulator mounted on the cool fuel module. A new TB cost in the $1200 area, and to convert to cool fuel may cost about the same. All the later TB use the same one as yours. Might look for another TB 860320A1 maybe in the used area.

Hey Fun Times have any insight?
 

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I think I found an easy and inexpensive solution.......when does that happen?

As it turns out Autozone has a $26 TBI rebuild kit that includes all the gaskets and a new pressure regulator diaphragm. I can reuse my spring (which determines the pressure) and I should be all set.

I will post the results of the repair.

Thanks
 

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I think I found an easy and inexpensive solution.......when does that happen?

As it turns out Autozone has a $26 TBI rebuild kit that includes all the gaskets and a new pressure regulator diaphragm. I can reuse my spring (which determines the pressure) and I should be all set.

I will post the results of the repair.

Thanks

Have you looked at an aftermarket variable adjustable version?
 

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I think I found an easy and inexpensive solution.......when does that happen?

As it turns out Autozone has a $26 TBI rebuild kit that includes all the gaskets and a new pressure regulator diaphragm. I can reuse my spring (which determines the pressure) and I should be all set.

I will post the results of the repair.

Thanks

If that works you will be a hero for all that follow. Please take pic and document, many will be interested.
 

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​ Update,

The Autozone GM TBI rebuild kit is great for $26. It is made by GP Sorensen part # 97-724. The kit includes all the gaskets and seals and most importantly it includes the regulator diaphragm. It was super easy to replace and they even give you two long screws to use to assemble the regulator and compress the spring down so that you can install the shorter screws.(See pic). Unfortunately this did not solve my problem but I now have a fully serviced throttle body for small money.

I am moving on to the VST fuel pump. I will post more details as I proceed.
 

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I have isolated a faulty fuel pressure regulator using the diagnostic tests in Service Manual #17.
Unfortunately this did not solve my problem but I now have a fully serviced throttle body for small money.

Ayuh,.... Have ya run it on a remote tank fulla fresh clean gasoline to rule out the boat's side of the fuel delivery system,..??
 

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Thanks much hnt for getting back with us and the pics.

Can you advise what the original problem with the motor was which caused your issue?
 

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So here is some background on my situation....

I just replaced the engine in my Pursuit with a re-manufactured long block from Rapido Marine in Florida. (1996 5.7LX EFI)
My engine had the 880 block with the non-vortec heads (12 bolt intake manifold). My original engine had a mechanical fuel pump which fed fuel to the VST tank. (This not a cool-fuel set up) Rapido made up the long block but was not able to find the 880 block with the mechanical fuel pump provision. So I converted the low pressure fuel pump to a marine-grade electric fuel pump (CRT model #4389).

I put the engine together with new OEM manifolds and risers, timing cover, water circulating pump, plugs, wires, rotor, distributor cap, filters etc, and installed it. I checked alignment and set the base timing. The motor fired right up and ran well for the 10 hour break-in although I noticed it was getting harder to start when warm and it would only reach 4,150 rpm at WOT. (Target WOT 4,400-4,800 rpm). The old motor would easily reach 4,600 rpm. I began to notice a slight miss that seemed like I had a loose plug wire. I checked the plugs and wires and all were good. I did a compression check and all cylinders were right on 150.

Next I turned my attention to fuel pressure. I purchased a M/C TBI fuel pressure fitting part # 91-806901 online for about $30. This fits into the pressure line from the VST to the throttle body and has a Schraeder valve to attach a fuel pressure gauge. I went to Autozone and ?borrowed? a fuel pressure test kit. (This is a great tool loaner program?You ?purchase? the tester for $159 and you can use it for up to 3 months and "return" it for a full refund. I used this program for a harmonic balancer removal tool, harmonic balancer install tool and an oil pump primer tool too.)

My system is supposed to operate at a constant 30 psi and once it is pressurized it should hold pressure for quite some time after shutting the key off. Mine would pressurize to about 12 psi without cranking the engine and loose pressure immediately upon shutting off the key. At this point I knew I had a fuel pressure issue. When I cranked the starter the pressure would build in a few revolutions until the engine would start once the fuel pressure reached about 25 psi. The engine seemed to run well and the fuel pressure would stabilize at just under 30 psi. Then randomly the fuel pressure would suddenly drop and the engine would die. (Thankfully this never happened during the first 10 hours of operation.) The engine would restart after lots of cranking once the fuel pressure climbed back up to 25 psi. If I shut the engine down while it was running the fuel pressure also dropped immediately to zero. (Again not normal).

I checked the fuel lines and vent for obstructions and I replaced the fuel filters and checked the pressure and flow from the low pressure electric fuel pump to the VST?.all normal. The gas is fresh and is the same tank I ran for the 10 hour break-in. I blocked the return line from the throttle body to the VST as per the Service Manual and cycled the pump on via the ignition. The Service Manual says that if the pressure climbs above 30 psi replace the pressure regulator. If the pressure does not climb above 30 psi replace the fuel pump. Mine climbed to 50 psi (still dropped quickly to zero after turning off the key). Based on that result I was trying to locate the fuel pressure regulator M/C part # 852955 (list price $206) that I mentioned in my first post. They are not available so I found the $26 GM TBI rebuild kit that I installed. (Glad I couldn?t find the regulator after all). After putting it back together, I had the same symptoms but at least I eliminated the regulator and the throttle body has new O-rings, gaskets, pressure regulator diaphragm, injector screens, etc.

The Service Manual goes on to say that a sudden loss of fuel pressure can be caused by three things?bad fuel pressure regulator (mine is good), leaking injectors (no leaks), or a bad check valve on the VST fuel pump. So I removed the VST tank and disassembled it. It looked good inside, no gunk or debris and float and needle valve look good. The pump itself is a sealed unit so I can?t really tell anything by looking at it but I decided to replace it as the diagnosis points to it. The OEM pump is available from M/C part # 827682T with a list price of $786 OUCH!!! The VST O-ring gasket kit part # 808500 is available with a list price of $98 Yikes!

After some digging I was able to find an aftermarket pump online that claims to be a direct replacement for part # 827682T at $70 with free shipping!!!!. The pump is made by HFP (part # HFP-512). It comes complete with O-rings and seals, screen filter, electrical connection posts and a lifetime replacement warranty. (It is available from several vendors online). I know it sounds too good to be true but I have one on order and should receive it by the end of the week so I will give it a try. I was also able to order just the top cover gasket part # 25-803831 for about $10.

It is too early to claim victory but I only have about $136 total into this repair as compared to over $1,100 for OEM parts.

I will post the results after I install the pump early next week.

Henry
 

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While you are in there check the diaphragm that goes between the VST and tell tale line. Mine had holes in it. Keep in touch on how that pump works out.
 

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I blocked the return line from the throttle body to the VST as per the Service Manual and cycled the pump on via the ignition. The Service Manual says that if the pressure climbs above 30 psi replace the pressure regulator. If the pressure does not climb above 30 psi replace the fuel pump. Mine climbed to 50 psi (still dropped quickly to zero after turning off the key).

With this I would say one or more of your injectors are your issue. If the return line is blocked off the pressure will rise above the regulator 30 psi setting, Reason being is the reg is set at 30, the pressure goes above it so the reg is full open. The fuel pressure falls right off, so if the pump in the VST is not leaking back (could but not likely) its your injectors leaking.

To test the theory, disconnect output line and block off (remove injectors from the mix). Attach pressure gauge and see how high it goes and does it hold
 

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Thumpar - I will check the diaphragm in the VST too,thanks

AllDodge - I can see the injectors pretty clearly on the throttle body and don't see any leaking but the test you suggest would be a great way to check for sure. Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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Merc had some real issues with the VST setup. Both the early MPI and TBI has the regulator made as part of the fuel rail and TBI. When cool fuel came out the regulator remained in the TBI but no longer regulated pressure. Another regulator was added to the cool fuel module and a vacuum line was used to control pressure. Similar thing happened with the MPI and the fuel rail regulator was replaced by a damper, the TBI regulator works the same to smooth out pulses, just no longer controls pressure.

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Time for another update on my issue.

I received the VST fuel pump but the VST top cover gasket was back-ordered so I couldn?t put it back together and test it. Eventually, I was able to locate a gasket by calling dealers in my area.

So I am pleased to report that the very inexpensive fuel pump I listed in my previous post is in fact a direct replacement and it works well. The quality seems to be on par with the OEM pump and the kit comes with the fuel screen and O-rings at a fraction of the cost of the OEM pump. If anyone needs to replace their VST fuel pump, I wouldn?t hesitate at all going this route.

I reassembled and installed the pump it and the engine fired right up after bleeding the air out of the system. I ran it on the muffs for about an hour and the fuel pressure remained steady at just under 30 psi at various rpm?s. The fuel pressure still does bleed off after shutting off the key but at a much slower rate and the engine starts right up when warm. In addition, I am no longer experiencing the sudden loss of fuel pressure and stalling that was occurring before. So far so good but I have not been able to conduct a sea trial to see if this has solved my loss of rpm?s at WOT. The seas on Long Island Sound are going to be kicked up for a few days because of Hermine. As soon as I can get on the water for a sea trial I will post the results.

Happy Labor Day everyone.
 

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Here is another update.

I was able to get the boat out on the water this week and run it. I am now getting 4,250 rpm at WOT which is still below range (4,400-4,800 rpm). I used to get 4,650 rpm with the same prop set (Bravo III 24P). I had the fuel pressure gauge hooked up throughout the sea trail and the fuel pressure was right on spec at 30 psi at all power settings. I also set up a temporary 6 gallon tank with fresh gas and had the same results thus eliminating the boats fuel system. Now that the fuel system is apparently performing to spec I am tuning my attention to other possible causes.

There is still a definite slight miss with slower than normal acceleration that acts just like a disconnected plug wire. I carefully checked all the wires again and pulled the plugs and inspected them. They all looked normal with a nice light-brown color and no oil or fuel fouling. I also looked at the cap and rotor (both are new) and everything looks good. I rechecked the base timing and it was right on at 8 deg BTDC.

I guess the logical next step would be to take the boat to a Mercruiser certified shop and have them run the diagnostics and check for codes. I have had such terrible and expensive experiences with shops that I am instead considering purchasing a Rinda Technologies TechMate PRO scan tool for $500 to diagnose the problem further myself. Has anyone had experience with the TechMate Pro and is it worth the cost? Would it help in finding the cause of the miss I am experiencing?
 

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What version of EFI is it? It it is MEFI 1-4 you can use an LED and paperclip to read for any codes.
 

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You may want to consider doing an engine vacuum test as your symptoms sort of resemble a possible damaged/tuliped valve sometimes not found with a compression test.
 

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Has anyone had experience with the TechMate Pro and is it worth the cost? Would it help in finding the cause of the miss I am experiencing?

I have one and like it, but being you have a MEFI 1 ECM its not going to give you much info. The diode and jumper on the DLC will give you about as much. As FT mentioned checking vacuum could tell you a lot. Didn't see where you did a compression test yet.

All it takes is one cylinder not producing full power to keep it from achieving top end
 

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I have a Mefi-1 or Mefi-2 (not sure which yet)

I have been reading about the DIY code reader and I will give it a try. I was thinking that there might not be a code unless there is a total failure of a sensor or component. It that right? I think the Techmate Pro or the Diacom software will show data values that can be compared to spec figures that might help more with diagnosis when codes are not present. I guess the first thing is to try the inexpensive thing to see if I am getting codes.

FYI This is a remanfactured long block from Rapido Marine with about 12 hours on it. I did a compression check and all cylinders are at 150
 
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