Grinding hull for new stringers

Flukinicehole

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As for your materials you should look locally. You live in Florida correct? There are many boat builders there and most will sell it to you direct. When I rebuilt my boat I bought all the resin (could have gotten all matting etc. had I known) and gelcoat from a local builder here in NC. Saved me hundreds and that is not an exaggeration. Give some local builders a call as I can not hurt and could potentially save you some money.
 
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As for your materials you should look locally. You live in Florida correct? There are many boat builders there and most will sell it to you direct. When I rebuilt my boat I bought all the resin (could have gotten all matting etc. had I known) and gelcoat from a local builder here in NC. Saved me hundreds and that is not an exaggeration. Give some local builders a call as I can not hurt and could potentially save you some money.

Actually found a local builder this week that does exactly that. 5 gallons of poly for $125. The mat he has is wicked thick and probably a bit overkill for me though. I will make some calls to other guys as well. Thanks for the tip.
 

JASinIL2006

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Mat and cloth aren't bad at all when bought online. It's the shipping and hazmat charges on the resin that are killers.
 
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I am still really torn between polyester or epoxy. I have never done any real fiberglass work to speak of and from everything I read the epoxy is easier to work with. Also I am doing this job at someone else's building and I have read some horror stories about the smell of poly sticking in a building for years. Finally, I am trying to tie the new floor into the old walls and have read about the adhesion level of both and it all seems to me like epoxy would be the easiest and best fit for me. But I also see guys like oops and frisco that go totally poly. The price tag would also be a little nicer with poly. Just torn.
 

mickyryan

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I would never use epoxy if I didn't have to there are a ton of reports coming out about its poisonous quality's that the industry has been hiding for years and evidently it doesn't take much on the skin to cause a permanent reaction.
that said poly is just find working on a poly built boat, poly was used and still is used if done right it will be fine , as I have read there is only a 20 % difference in adhension between poly and epoxy and epoxy isn't uv protected . but I'm sure others who are more experienced in the field with name starting with O or W might give ya more info :)
 

ondarvr

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Polyester is far easier to use when compared to epoxy. Epoxy cures very slow, which sounds good, but it also tends to drain out of the glass as you're waiting, so you need to fiddle with it until it hardens to the point where it will stay put. It also doesn't wet the glass out as easily, so that part takes more work too.
In hot weather some polyesters cure very fast, which can catch you by surprise at first, but you can get used to, or work when it’s cooler. Epoxy will be slower curing if you use the slow cure hardener, and will eventually cure even at very low temperatures, so in some ways that can be helpful.

Epoxy does bond better, so people feel if they do something wrong it will have a better chance of holding up, which is true, but they both require the surface to be sanded for a good bond, so just sand it well.

​The odor of polyester can be very annoying, and it can be detected by your nose at very low levels, far below what’s allowed in a glass shop for working in every day all day long, so the health aspect isn’t that bad. But, while working with it in your garage the entire family will hate you because of the smell, you aren’t doing them any damage though. Any food or other things kept in the garage will take on the odor, some hold it for a long time, others don’t, and you won’t be able to smell it, but other people will, which can lead to some strange looks when you’re in a restaurant or store. Any food kept in the garage will be spit out on the table after the first taste.

Epoxy can cause severe health issues, although if you keep it off your skin you’ll be fine. And it’s only some types, not all, it’s hard to tell which is and isn’t a health hazard though. It typically doesn’t smell, so people won’t even know you’re using it.

Really what it comes down to is that in the average rebuild it doesn’t make much of a difference in which resin is used, both will hold up just fine.
 
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Woodonglass

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Yup ^^^ on all points. Poly, IMHO, is much easier to work with. Smell is a bit of a problem but if you keep a fan going and a window or door cracked it WILL move it out. Some Air Freshner will keep it a bit nicer too!!!
 

tpenfield

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My 2 cents . . . 'cuz that's all I got. :D

Of the three major resin considerations for repair/restoration. . . .

Epoxy is good for applications/areas needing high adhesion. Price is high . . . working time is long. Fumes are the easiest to deal with. Care and planning must be considered if using both epoxy and poly resins in a restoration due to adhesion incompatibilities of the two.

Polyester is a good all purpose resign for rigidity and strength. Favorable price, but working time is short (15 mins +/-). Moderate fume avoidance is needed.

Vinyl Ester is similar to polyester, but has higher adhesion and longer working times (30 mins+). Price is about 20% higher than Poly. Fume are like chemical warfare !!!
 

ondarvr

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I'm not sure why some companies use a very fast gel time for polyester resin, they can pick any gel time they want. Others sell longer gel time resins that can be easier to use.
 
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Well I am in Florida so I will get one with a longer time oif I can. Waiting for cold isn't really an option.
 

ondarvr

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FL has many places to buy resin, they should have the correct gel time products for your region.
 

proshadetree

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I am a big fan of poly to. It sticks like mad to a good surface, you can beat it with a hammer and not do much damage, and you can gel over it without any problems. Plus you save coin for boat accessories. Hard to beat that.
 
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Found a local builder that will sell me 5 gallons of isophthalic poly for $125 and 5 gallons of white gelcoat for $125 as well. Sound like a good deal?
 
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