New Owner '85 4Winns, 175 horse 4 cylinder.

achris

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Treat it exactly the same as you would a car cooling system, the heat exchanger being the radiator. Get yourself a cooling system pressure test kit and proceed from there. It may not be the heat exchanger, it could be a head gasket.

Chris........
 

chuckm51

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Chris,

Thanks. Further experimenting with the heat exchanger revealed it was damaged internally. I found a used one and, after replacing the end gaskets, reinstalled it and all seems well now.

However, I now have another question. After spending an hour reading through the Clymers shop manual, I see no reference whatsoever to a weep or "pee" hole in the lower unit to demonstrate that the impeller is doing its job. I do see a small opening the starboard side of the lower unit that may perform that function.
My experience is mostly with outboards, which of course have a pee hole. I hooked up a water clamshell and ran water into the engine while running it. I did not see water squirting out anywhere on the lower unit.
Help!

Chuck in Texas
 

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My experience is mostly with outboards, which of course have a pee hole.

Ayuh,... I/Os don't do that,....

Any weep holes in the drive are to drain wet areas for storage,...
 

Rick Stephens

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Ayuh,... I/Os don't do that,....

Any weep holes in the drive are to drain wet areas for storage,...

And because they are so small, and so important when temperatures drop below freezing, must be kept open. Every year as part of your end of season maintenance. Skipped, you can end up with a cracked outdrive.

Rick
 

chuckm51

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Thanks y'all for all the good advice. I spoke to the local boat shop, that wants $140 to swap out the impeller. I am thinking hard on doing it myself.
I have a SE106 lower unit. An Alpha 1, Gen 1 model I believe, based on the date.
Youtube has a pretty good 2 part video on swapping out the impeller on an Alpha 1, Gen 2 lower unit, but none I see for the Gen 1 model.
Are they pretty much the same impeller repair-wise? Thanks
Chuck in Texas
 

2fishy4u

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I would do it myself for the impeller. It really is very simple and can be done pretty fast. I was in the same place as you 2 years ago. But my boat has 2 of those engines. And in those 2 years, I had the port rebuilt and a piston rod broke after 40 hours. Because it was a part failure I would have had to pay to rebuild again So I replaced it with a reman as it turned out cheaper. And over the last 2 years I have replaced the starboard with a reman, spent thousands figuring out cooling issues on both engines, and replaced the following on both. Heatexchanger, exhaust manifolds, risers, shift cutout switch, fuel pumps, shift cables, throttle cables, alternators, both carbs rebuilt, port distributor, changed points to electronic (2 pertronics failed so far in 2 years) replaced both drives, rebuit carbs a second time, one headgasket on starboard, new wiring harness, and the breakdown rate has been around 25%. as in one of the engines breaks down every 4 trips..... I wish I was as lucky as bondo with these engines. And hopefully you are not as unlucky as I have been with them. Keep in mind that we also go out EVERY weekend and put around 175 engine hours a year. And put over 700 hours a year on the water. I have took this experience as a learning opportunity, I have learned more than I should know about these engines and a ton about the ocean and boats. So, even though I sent far beyond what a smart person would on an old boat. I am happy with what I learned over the last 2 years. We will be unloading this at the end of the season. And buy something newer that has a less needy engine overall.
 

chuckm51

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Thanks 2fishy, I did order the impeller kit from SE, due in a few days. I did see a youtube video of a guy who figured out how to test his impeller by submerging the lower unit in a tub of water, instead of using a clamshell. Gonna try it tomorrow and see if the impeller is drawing up water.
 

Rick Stephens

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Thanks 2fishy, I did order the impeller kit from SE, due in a few days. I did see a youtube video of a guy who figured out how to test his impeller by submerging the lower unit in a tub of water, instead of using a clamshell. Gonna try it tomorrow and see if the impeller is drawing up water.

DON'T!

Impellers do NOT draw water up. They are designed to be underwater, not above it. They are vented so air can escape and they prime by being submerged. The video you saw is a crock.
 

achris

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Thanks y'all for all the good advice. I spoke to the local boat shop, that wants $140 to swap out the impeller. I am thinking hard on doing it myself.
I have a SE106 lower unit. An Alpha 1, Gen 1 model I believe, based on the date.
Youtube has a pretty good 2 part video on swapping out the impeller on an Alpha 1, Gen 2 lower unit, but none I see for the Gen 1 model.
Are they pretty much the same impeller repair-wise? Thanks
Chuck in Texas

I did a video on a Gen I water pump, just click the 'My Videos' link (bottom of my signature). Similiar to the Gen II, but different enough to get you tied in knots if it goes wrong.


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2fishy4u

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Hey Chuck, I would just change it, especially since its out of the water. Its one of those parts you dont want to wait for it to fail. Its a intricate part of the cooling system. And for these engines, any overheating is a nightmare in the waiting. When I bought this boat the port was blown. Turned out the previous owner overheated it and it blew a hole right through number 4 piston. The one time it overheated on me it blew the headgasket. And that was from a impeller failing. I have learned to keep an eye on the gauges constantly. Over the last 2 years, I have ran into 3 overheating issues. 1 was impeller, one was the heat exchanger, and one was something got sucked up in the drive. And partially clogged a hose. I would also pull both end caps off the riser and clean out every tube inside. When I had heating issues with the exchanger, the cause was only 4 partially plugged tubes (maybe 15%). So even the slightest restriction can cause issues. Like Bondo said, these can be great running engines, you just got to make sure everything is perfect in the cooling system.
 

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on a new-to-you i/o, it would be a good idea to pull the outdrive, check for water intrusion, check/replace bellows, check alignment, and replace the impeller and gear oil. None of it is particularly difficult, though like everything can be a bit time consuming if you haven't done it before. Count on maybe 4 hours your first time
 
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