84 johnson 140 not charging with pics

Hennysemitara

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hey guys my johnson still not charging the battery. i dont know if im doing this correctly but heres some pics. do these look good???
 

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Hennysemitara

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diode test from rectifier red to rectifier yellow #1 51
diode test from rectifier red to rectifier yellow #2 50.5
two yellow wires out of stator ohms is 00.6 am
am i doing this correctly? what else should i check???
 

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There is more to do to test the rectifier diodes.----Please review a factory manual.
 

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Run the motor and check with your meter that it isnt charging the battery.
If not then check what voltage output you a getting from the stator yellow wires (put the other one to ground).
If thats low ie not above 12V then your stator or the windings a bad.
If thats ok then its your rectifier/regulator or the wires that go from there to your battery feed in
 

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(Small Rectifier Test)
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Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.
 

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If you are using an analog meter then you can test the rectifier as Joe describes

If you are using a digital meter use the diode test range , as you have done to get the results you report in post #2, because digital meters do not necessarily work for diode teing on the ohms ranges.

Test each of the four diodes with the meter leads connected one way round and with them reversed. You should, for each diode, get a similar reading to those you report when connected one way and no reading when reversed..
 

Hennysemitara

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Run the motor and check with your meter that it isnt charging the battery.
If not then check what voltage output you a getting from the stator yellow wires (put the other one to ground).
If thats low ie not above 12V then your stator or the windings a bad.
If thats ok then its your rectifier/regulator or the wires that go from there to your battery feed in

arnt the 2 wires coming out of the stator ac current?
 

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Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.

i will try to see if i can do this,...will return with results.
 

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on a side note i got away with charging the battery before going out..heres my boat.,
 

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(J. Reeves)

Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.

my motor is a watercooled rectifier. is it the same with both applications?
 

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ok guys im super lost. so i got a new rectifier on the side and i tried to practice first on this one. first off i did what joe reeves said. the ohms jump all over the place and they keep going up and up they dont stop. i go both ways and they still do the same. im lost.... im just gonna try take both stator and rectifier out and take it to a shop that i know maybe they can help me out.
 

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my motor is a watercooled rectifier. is it the same with both applications?

Hopefully you have a tachometer. If so, it operates off of the engine's charging system. If it has been functioning properly, the charging system is okay. If it has been acting weird or not at all, keep reading.

No.... Test as follows:
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(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Normally the Gray wire leading from the tachometer is attached at the terminal strip to another Gray wire which leads from the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier...... remove the gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
 

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ok guys im super lost. so i got a new rectifier on the side and i tried to practice first on this one. first off i did what joe reeves said. the ohms jump all over the place and they keep going up and up they dont stop. i go both ways and they still do the same. im lost.... im just gonna try take both stator and rectifier out and take it to a shop that i know maybe they can help me out.

Sounds like you're using a digital meter... Get yourself a cheap analog meter (one with a needle) to do the test I mention.

I have a case full of digital meters which I'll be selling on eBay when I get around to it, but as far as I'm concerned, I think they're a PITA and don't use them!
 

Hennysemitara

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Sounds like you're using a digital meter... Get yourself a cheap analog meter (one with a needle) to do the test I mention.

I have a case full of digital meters which I'll be selling on eBay when I get around to it, but as far as I'm concerned, I think they're a PITA and don't use them!

yeah its a digital
 

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my motor is a water-cooled rectifier. is it the same with both applications?

It just dawned on me:
The 1984 140hp model incorporated a small 3 wire rectifier that attached to the powerhead with two screws, one screw being a different size for the other. What is the model number of that engine?
 

Hennysemitara

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It just dawned on me:
The 1984 140hp model incorporated a small 3 wire rectifier that attached to the powerhead with two screws, one screw being a different size for the other. What is the model number of that engine?

my motors a e140tlcrd. i took it apart took it to my mechanic he tested the stator and rectifier and found out the rectifier was toast. i put it back together but it was too late to start the boat so imma start it in the morning. rectifier part number is 395204.
 
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