Tilt motor not working-Only makes noise

Serf27

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Hi everyone. I am new here.
1984 Sunday 3.8l v6 boat. [h=1]1984 OMC 382SPMRCRJ 3.8L Stern Drive[/h]
Just about finishing up this new to me boat.
When I bought it, the stern would only tilt down, the seller said it was because I needed a marine battery.
It would only go up with someone lifting it.

since then it has been the same, only down not up.
Not it won’t go down at all.
Oil in the tilt case was non existent.
I added some, but it seems like I can only pump 1/8 of a cup in before it flows back out.

When pressing titl up or down, I hear a loud click like the motor starts to engage, then nothing happens.
other times, I hear a buzzing sound.
One of the last steps I need to get the boat into the water that I can’t figure out.

If anyone one has any tips or where to go, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.
 

kenny nunez

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You will need a new tilt motor. Depending on the way the boat is built can make removing & replacing a challenge. The tilt motor’s brushes are probably worn down and the armature is arced with burn spots from bad contacts. It may have also got water in it at one time. When you remove it there is a small plastic washer on the end of the shaft where it plugs into the spring coupler, The coupler might come out with the motor so just put it back on the shaft in the housing. You have to be careful to engage the motor to the coupler when you install the new motor.
 

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... or if you have a good shop close by that works on electric motors, you can have it rebuilt. I did that with mine and it worked great afterward.

Welcome aboard.
 

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The trim motor is the one that is part of the hydraulic system that raises and lowers the front of the engine. Not all OMC engine packages had it and it was up to the boat builder ot purchase those models. Most times the trim motor’s brushes were worn and not too hard to replace. It is possible that is what is needed as South Kongs mentioned.
Water in the tilt clutch was pretty normal to find. They were never sealed tight enough from the beginning.
 

Serf27

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Thanks for the reply.
So the motor that I have to remove is the one with hydraulic lines going to it?
One motor is the one where I hear all the sound coming from, I’m guessing that’s the one I remove ?
there are 2 according to parts catalog. I don’t want to remove both if I just need to remove one.
 

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Keep in mind that tilt and trim and completely different with stringers .

The tilt motor is what raises and lowers the outdrive . Trim tilts the engine .

I believe what you are wanting to replace is the Tilt motor which is mounted on the engine side of the intermediate , port side. with no hydraulic lines , just electrical .
 

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Hmmm, that is how my wife describes me ... makes noise but doesn't work ...
 

Serf27

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Thanks for the laugh and replies.
Ok, this is the first I’m hearing of the engine tilt. I thought just the drive tilted down!

Ill try posting a picture of where all the noise is coming from.
 

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you may not have trim , only certain models did .

ALL of them have tilt though.
 

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This is what I see.
the noise comes from the one with an electrical connector on it.
 

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kenny nunez

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When the one in the picture operates does the front of engine raise or lower? They do make some noise which is normal. Sometime the steel hydraulic lines will rust and leak . Or the rams on the side of the engine will leak. If the brushes are either stuck or worn out they can be repaired. If the brushes are stuck you just have to free them up, there may be a small ball bearing in the end of the shaft to keep it engaged in the pump. To reinstall the brush head use a 3” length of stiff wire bent into a “V” to hold the brushes in their holders, after the brush head is seated then pull out the wire, if you try to force the brush head on you will destroy the brushes.
The one down on the port side rear lifts the drive for TRAILERING & BEACHING. Never try to plane the boat off without the drive in the full down position unless you want to spend around 2-3k on repairs.
 

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pic1 tru-course steering and ball gears
pic2 trailer/tow gear drive to raise drive
pic3 hyd cylinder to raise/lower front of motor to trim
pic 4this could be the engine trim pump but the gear drive to raise and lower the drive was normally operated by a motor connected to the shaft that turns the gears?
 
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Hold off on replacing the motor for your tilt. I have an OMC sterndrive (mine is a stringer 400. The 800, which you probably have, just uses different lower gears, but same tilt). I literally just finished repairing mine from the ground up. You hear a click, but the outdrive won’t raise. There are two separate problems. I had both.
- First, the simpler of the two. Once I repaired my other problem causing the tilt gear to jam, I had it all back together and the motor still clicked in both directions with no tilt movement. I had tested the motor and knew it worked. I have the OMC official 1985 service manual. There is a worm gear that engages the big brass gear. That worm gear is on a shaft that rides on two bronze bearings. One end connects to the motor. The site I buy parts from has an exploded view of the shaft for my exact stringer year and model. It shows a nylon washer between the rear brass bearing and back edge of the worm gear. I had replaced the old one. The old one was flat and thinner than tissue paper. It looked like snake skin at first. So, I put the washer on the shaft, then the worm drive. I put the end cap on that has the other brass bearing and O-ring to seal out water. I put the little triangle cover over it, and tighten the three nuts. Motor stuck. I loosen the 3 nuts. Tilt drive swings like dances doing a high kick. I experimentally tighten the cover a bit, test tilt, tighten again, test tilt. Once the cover was about, oh, as thick as a nylon washer away from being tight, the motor slowed. Nice the cover was tightened a bit more, the motor froze. I realized, despite that parts diagram, and consistent with the snakeskin like crushed one, that nylon washer didn’t belong. I removed it. Tightened cover. It worked. I think they made a modification, but the diagram is wrong. I think someone before me put a washer on too. I think the tilt worm gear is a bit longer now, or that washer never was supposed to be there and the parts diagram is completely wrong. The OMC 1985 sterndrive repair manual mentions a nylon washer in another location which simply doesn’t exist and they do not show a picture of it in the parts diagram in the manual or on online diagrams. They made either mistakes, or late changes. Loosen the bolts on the triangle cover above the trim gearbox. Back them out about 1/8 of an inch togive the wormgear shaft a little play. Lift your sterndrive by hand a bit. This will pull at the worm gear and loosen the shaft a bit. See if you can tilt up now. If you can, then try removing the nylon washer as follows. Take the the bolts off of the triangle cover just above the trim gearbox. You will see a solid round metal object. Manually lift your sterndrive a bit, and the brass gear engaged with the worm gear behind the cover will pop that metal piece out. You will see the worm drive. Lifetime high enough on the sterndrive to pull the worm gear out. See if there’s a nylon washer on the shaft. Might be crushed or unrecognizable. Remove it, reassemble. Test.
- My original real issue with the tilt. This is a “$500” boat my son found. It was someone else’s project boat. One of the plethora of things Wong is that the tilt motor just clicked. I removed the tilt motor to test it. It had enough torque to throw itself down into my bilge, so it was ok. It spun both directions. The tilt motor, btw is down on the lower right if you are facing the front of your engine. The worm gear shaft I describe above goes right into the motor, so just trace that shaft through the boat transom, and you will see the motor. Since the motor worked when not loaded by the shaft, I figured gears were jammed. I pulled the tilt cover off and saw brass shavings. The short version is that there is a hardened steel thrust washer on the other side of the clutch mechanism inside the tilt casing. It had shattered. The 10 or so pieces of this high carbon steel washer had been chewed by all the moving parts. The worm gear and brass gear ate some together. It tore up the cover where the big O-ring is. The brass gear rides in the cover, and in a big circle of metal in the t back channel was torn up too. Metal had begun to deposit in the channel, warping it. Eventually, the brass gear froze in that channel when a pice of the thrust washer was forced between it and the sterndrive case. I pryed the brass gear out. It was chewed up on the back. I bought a used replacement gear, used cover so the O-ring would seal. Used a dremel with a drum sander to remove metal deposits to make the gear race round and smooth. Brake cleaner to spray out all the metal. Cleaned the clutch components. New snap ring at one end. Had to use file to remove some burrs. Bought a new thrust washer (bevel toward the clutch for that thrust washer btw). Then I wandered what makes a thrust washer shatter in the first place. One face of the washer goes against the clutch shaft. The other goes against the sterndrive housing. I noticed a significant high spot. Don’t know why it was there, but looked like maybe it was deposited there from spinning metal that damaged it. I wanted the washer to lay flat so there was no repeat. Dremel with a flat grinding wheel to the rescue. I noticed that the broken thrust washer parts had embedded into the brass gear teeth. If metal is suck a tooth of a worm gear or the brass gear, it should be removed or the motor can’t turn the gear past that metal. The thrust washer could have shattered from someone over tightening the clutch tension bolt too (hex head bolt under the nylon nut).

So
- Excessive pressure on worm gear from nylon bushing that doesn’t belong.
- Broken metal (maybe the thrust washer)
- you can pop the worm gear out, then run the motor. You can put the shaft back in without the worm drive (and no cover for testing) and see if the motor turns both ways freely.
- Motor is directly behind worm drive shaft in boat.
- If you remove he motor, there’s a brass piece on he end of it. Be sure to retrieve it and make sure it isn’t broken in some way.
 

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The above post is very informative. One thing must be added. There are 2 plastic thrust washers on the front and rear of the hammer blow coupling to keep it centered. If the tilt shaft is removed and the motor still in place the rear washer falls and will cause the tilt motor to bind up if the shaft is forced back in. Also when lowering the drive just tap the switch a few times to keep the drive from going down too fast and damaging the motor or tilt shaft.
 

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The above post is very informative. One thing must be added. There are 2 plastic thrust washers on the front and rear of the hammer blow coupling to keep it centered. If the tilt shaft is removed and the motor still in place the rear washer falls and will cause the tilt motor to bind up if the shaft is forced back in. Also when lowering the drive just tap the switch a few times to keep the drive from going down too fast and damaging the motor or tilt shaft.

This will definitely come in handy if I take apart motor. Thank you!
Ok, I will lower the drive slowly, once I get it working.

pic1 tru-course steering and ball gears
pic2 trailer/tow gear drive to raise drive
pic3 hyd cylinder to raise/lower front of motor to trim
pic 4this could be the engine trim pump but the gear drive to raise and lower the drive was normally operated by a motor connected to the shaft that turns the gears?

So pic 1 has nothing to do with the tilt/trim?
Pic 2- this raises the drive right? What do you mean trailer/tow?
pic 4 is connected to the pic3. Guessing that is for sure what raises the engine.
thanks for the videos. None of what happens in the videos happens in my boat. I am going to post 2 videos of what exactly happens on mine.
The acceleratoor has 4 buttons.
From what I have found out, I think 2 buttons operate the engine trim and the other 2 buttons operate the drive tilt.
am I using trim tilt terms properly?
the engine tilt motor just makes a buzzing sound.
When I click the other 2 buttons, I just hear clicks from some solenoids, occasionally a “starter to flywheel” clunk noise mostly just solenoid clicks.

When the one in the picture operates does the front of engine raise or lower? They do make some noise which is normal. Sometime the steel hydraulic lines will rust and leak . Or the rams on the side of the engine will leak. If the brushes are either stuck or worn out they can be repaired. If the brushes are stuck you just have to free them up, there may be a small ball bearing in the end of the shaft to keep it engaged in the pump. To reinstall the brush head use a 3” length of stiff wire bent into a “V” to hold the brushes in their holders, after the brush head is seated then pull out the wire, if you try to force the brush head on you will destroy the brushes.
The one down on the port side rear lifts the drive for TRAILERING & BEACHING. Never try to plane the boat off without the drive in the full down position unless you want to spend around 2-3k on repairs.

The steel hydraulic lines attached to the engine trim motor do have residue around them, guessing the fluid leaked out from the line. I can’t seem to find anywhere to put fluid into that system though. From the motor pictured I posted earlier, I hear a buzzing sound. That’s where the hydro lines are.

Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say plane the boat off without drive full down?


Thanks everyone!
 

Serf27

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Hold off on replacing the motor for your tilt. I have an OMC sterndrive (mine is a stringer 400. The 800, which you probably have, just uses different lower gears, but same tilt). I literally just finished repairing mine from the ground up. You hear a click, but the outdrive won’t raise. There are two separate problems. I had both.
- First, the simpler of the two. Once I repaired my other problem causing the tilt gear to jam, I had it all back together and the motor still clicked in both directions with no tilt movement. I had tested the motor and knew it worked. I have the OMC official 1985 service manual. There is a worm gear that engages the big brass gear. That worm gear is on a shaft that rides on two bronze bearings. One end connects to the motor. The site I buy parts from has an exploded view of the shaft for my exact stringer year and model. It shows a nylon washer between the rear brass bearing and back edge of the worm gear. I had replaced the old one. The old one was flat and thinner than tissue paper. It looked like snake skin at first. So, I put the washer on the shaft, then the worm drive. I put the end cap on that has the other brass bearing and O-ring to seal out water. I put the little triangle cover over it, and tighten the three nuts. Motor stuck. I loosen the 3 nuts. Tilt drive swings like dances doing a high kick. I experimentally tighten the cover a bit, test tilt, tighten again, test tilt. Once the cover was about, oh, as thick as a nylon washer away from being tight, the motor slowed. Nice the cover was tightened a bit more, the motor froze. I realized, despite that parts diagram, and consistent with the snakeskin like crushed one, that nylon washer didn’t belong. I removed it. Tightened cover. It worked. I think they made a modification, but the diagram is wrong. I think someone before me put a washer on too. I think the tilt worm gear is a bit longer now, or that washer never was supposed to be there and the parts diagram is completely wrong. The OMC 1985 sterndrive repair manual mentions a nylon washer in another location which simply doesn’t exist and they do not show a picture of it in the parts diagram in the manual or on online diagrams. They made either mistakes, or late changes. Loosen the bolts on the triangle cover above the trim gearbox. Back them out about 1/8 of an inch togive the wormgear shaft a little play. Lift your sterndrive by hand a bit. This will pull at the worm gear and loosen the shaft a bit. See if you can tilt up now. If you can, then try removing the nylon washer as follows. Take the the bolts off of the triangle cover just above the trim gearbox. You will see a solid round metal object. Manually lift your sterndrive a bit, and the brass gear engaged with the worm gear behind the cover will pop that metal piece out. You will see the worm drive. Lifetime high enough on the sterndrive to pull the worm gear out. See if there’s a nylon washer on the shaft. Might be crushed or unrecognizable. Remove it, reassemble. Test.
- My original real issue with the tilt. This is a “$500” boat my son found. It was someone else’s project boat. One of the plethora of things Wong is that the tilt motor just clicked. I removed the tilt motor to test it. It had enough torque to throw itself down into my bilge, so it was ok. It spun both directions. The tilt motor, btw is down on the lower right if you are facing the front of your engine. The worm gear shaft I describe above goes right into the motor, so just trace that shaft through the boat transom, and you will see the motor. Since the motor worked when not loaded by the shaft, I figured gears were jammed. I pulled the tilt cover off and saw brass shavings. The short version is that there is a hardened steel thrust washer on the other side of the clutch mechanism inside the tilt casing. It had shattered. The 10 or so pieces of this high carbon steel washer had been chewed by all the moving parts. The worm gear and brass gear ate some together. It tore up the cover where the big O-ring is. The brass gear rides in the cover, and in a big circle of metal in the t back channel was torn up too. Metal had begun to deposit in the channel, warping it. Eventually, the brass gear froze in that channel when a pice of the thrust washer was forced between it and the sterndrive case. I pryed the brass gear out. It was chewed up on the back. I bought a used replacement gear, used cover so the O-ring would seal. Used a dremel with a drum sander to remove metal deposits to make the gear race round and smooth. Brake cleaner to spray out all the metal. Cleaned the clutch components. New snap ring at one end. Had to use file to remove some burrs. Bought a new thrust washer (bevel toward the clutch for that thrust washer btw). Then I wandered what makes a thrust washer shatter in the first place. One face of the washer goes against the clutch shaft. The other goes against the sterndrive housing. I noticed a significant high spot. Don’t know why it was there, but looked like maybe it was deposited there from spinning metal that damaged it. I wanted the washer to lay flat so there was no repeat. Dremel with a flat grinding wheel to the rescue. I noticed that the broken thrust washer parts had embedded into the brass gear teeth. If metal is suck a tooth of a worm gear or the brass gear, it should be removed or the motor can’t turn the gear past that metal. The thrust washer could have shattered from someone over tightening the clutch tension bolt too (hex head bolt under the nylon nut).

So
- Excessive pressure on worm gear from nylon bushing that doesn’t belong.
- Broken metal (maybe the thrust washer)
- you can pop the worm gear out, then run the motor. You can put the shaft back in without the worm drive (and no cover for testing) and see if the motor turns both ways freely.
- Motor is directly behind worm drive shaft in boat.
- If you remove he motor, there’s a brass piece on he end of it. Be sure to retrieve it and make sure it isn’t broken in some way.

Thank you for the very informative post!
I have to go through it to really understand all of it.
Ill take a look at my Parts catalog diagram and see how the design looks on my motors.
 
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