Tacho Issues 87 140 Looper

Riley C

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Hi boaters!

I went for a run today after replacing the power pack and carbs cleaned (For the 50th time) on my 140 looper. Boat is running the best it ever has. Power band is so good.

The battery gets full charge at WOT to just under 15v, is this an issue? It drops back down within a few minutes.

Now the real issue!

I recently the last couple trips and today, have seen the Faria tacho drop out. It drops out mainly at high speed. It doesn’t happen at idle, at home or revs. I assume vibrations. However, the digital hour has gone fritz too. The counter just flashes all displays and zeros. I have no idea to reset it, Faria say nothing of help in troubleshooting.

Is there a way to reset the display and test gauge for faults?

Cheers
Riley
 

Joe Reeves

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Visually inspect the stator under the flywheel closely to see if it is dripping a sticky looking substance down on the timer base and powerhead. If it is, replace it as that results in a voltage drop to the powerpack capacitor that will lead to weak, erratic, and eventually no ignition.

It also usually coincides with a failing voltage regulator/rectifier assembly that interferes with the tachometer function (as you describe)

You can check the tachometer as follows which will give you an idea of the other components status.

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(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Normally the Gray wire leading from the tachometer is attached at the terminal strip to another Gray wire which leads from the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier...... remove the gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
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Riley C

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Hi Joe,

Everything under the fly wheel looks pretty clean. One spot where 1/4 gunk is. I tested the stator and it all checks out. 42-43 ohm for the base, Open line for the two yellow and .64 for the diode test.

I’ll upload a couple pics to show how clean it is under the fly wheel.

i really hope it’s not the stator, I don’t have a harmonic or past experience to take it off.
 

Riley C

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Here are the photos for under the fly wheel. Nothing really looked to suspect other than 1 Stator photo.

I probably should look at getting a DVA tester to test while running.

I think I have a 10amp stator would this be correct? My fly wheel isn't massive.
 

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Riley C

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Hi Joe Reeves

I have tested the above as you say and I get nothing out of ordinary. I also tested per CDI troubleshoot and get nothing. However that doesn't mean i have tested it 100% compared to a mechanic.

Is charging over 14.5v momentarily a bad thing?

The weird thing is there is no issue with the tacho when the boat is not moving, idles on the spot and revs fine. Even snapping the throttle very responsive. It's just when flying 80kms on the water does it do it.

I will buy another tacho and find out.

Do I have a 35amp or 10amp stator?

What do you guys think of the photo under the flywheel, any tell tail? Faztbullet , Bosunsmate

Other than that the motor is the best it has been. Get a really good air fuel mix, almost like a winding sound when slightly revving.
 

oldboat1

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14.9 v is a typical charging rate with a good system. The rate may be a little lower if the battery was fully shore charged before starting out. Check gauge grounding to see if that might be the current tach issue. If you have a model number, you might check to see what stator was standard (think it was 3/9 amp).
 

Riley C

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14.9 v is a typical charging rate with a good system. The rate may be a little lower if the battery was fully shore charged before starting out. Check gauge grounding to see if that might be the current tach issue. If you have a model number, you might check to see what stator was standard (think it was 3/9 amp).

Thanks Old Boat,

The stator model is an oldie I will give that. Going buy wire colours to Power pack I come up with the original omc 0583118.

I don't know much more on that model though.

The battery was fully charged pretty much other than a few starts prior. It's also a 680CC Century new battery.

I will look into the gauge grounding. The thing that shits me the most is that I can't get my digital hours on the tach to count again, let alone now i had lost them entirely and wont stop flashing. Damn Faria, the photo below shows similar to mine.
 

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