1969 Johnson 85HP Stuck in Forward

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jdslivinski

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I have read a number of postings already regarding this era and the shift problems. I bought a boat last November and spent the winter working on it. One of the projects was to rewire the general electrical stuff. I spent a lot of time under the console and there was a huge amount of splicing that was done prior to my ownership that I cleaned up.<br /><br />Is it possible that some of the wiring was controlling the hydroelectric shift? I didn't touch anything going to the ignition or to the control box...that I know of.
 

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Re: 1969 Johnson 85HP Stuck in Forward

It will stay in forward until the motor is started. Then hydraulic pressure moves it to neutral or reverse. So being in forward when the motor is not running is normal.
 

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Unless the previous ownership reengineered the motor's wiring harness, it's unlikely you disturbed the shift wires.<br /><br />Cleaning up somebody else's mess - that's a fun job, aint' it? ;) <br /><br />Welcome to iboats!
 

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Re: 1969 Johnson 85HP Stuck in Forward

Thanks. It actually remains in forward when teh motor is running and wont shift out. I am thinking it is the same problems others have had within the control box itself. The wiring might be coroded.
 

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Could also be a problem with the solenoids in the lower unit. If the pump is not engergized by those solenoids when running, the lower will be in forward. This is a default setting, so that you can get home if there is a problem with this shifting system.
 

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Do a search on hyrdro-electric shift and Joe Reeves. He has a very good, detailed explaination of how the unit works. It's really very very simple. Just make sure you have the correct oil in the unit. And no water!<br /><br />I'm sure Joe will be along anytime now.
 

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It will also stay in forward if there is no oil in the lower unit.
 

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Dhadley.... And here I am (grin).<br /><br />(Hydro Electric Shift)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /><br />The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.<br /> <br />You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Preminum Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube) <br /><br />In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire. <br />In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one. <br />In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear) <br /><br />To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed. <br /><br />This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).<br /> <br />With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Thanks, I will let you know how it works out. I plan to work on it over the next couple of weekends.
 

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Re: 1969 Johnson 85HP Stuck in Forward

I started a new thread before I located this answer. I am having the same problem with my 1972 85HP Evinrude Starfire. Will this solution apply to my motor as well?
 
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Seems we all have the same issue, good to know there are these awesome people with the know how , I to was wondering how to get mine to shift from forward , mine won't shift when cranking but knowing it may shift out of gear when running is awesome thanks guys.
 

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Start a new thread.-----It shifts to neutral after the starter has turned the flywheel one revolution.-----That is if everything is in good condition.-----No need for it to actually run.-----It will shift when lower unit is on the work bench !----And I think that these units are elegantly simple , reliable and easy to maintain !
 
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Start a new thread.-----It shifts to neutral after the starter has turned the flywheel one revolution.-----That is if everything is in good condition.-----No need for it to actually run.-----It will shift when lower unit is on the work bench !----And I think that these units are elegantly simple , reliable and easy to maintain !
Just found what is going on with mine its got power to the system in the leg ,but it's like the piston is jammed so looking for a replacement but none about in new Zealand. Any ideas would be great .
 
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I had a good run over the leg and found a crack on the lower part of gearbox so looking like it's going to be needing a replacement as the position of it will effect the gearbox operation anyway.
 

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If water was in the gearcase it can crack from freezing.-----Your location ?
 
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