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Good to know! Thanks for the lead. I’m not seeing any info. I read a bit about it and I think I’m gonna use red RTV on the inner exhaust plate because of temps(plus I already have it)
sounds like pretty much the same stuff from a different manufacturer . Id be happy using that too , specially if I already had some . :)
 

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An update- I have a new inner plate coming. I've decided to use the Locktite 2422 for the inner water cover piece. My middle baffle piece tightens up with finger pressure, so I'm gonna stay with that piece.
Merc manual contradicts itself. On the main page for powerhead, it lists locktite A for the water jacket bolts, but in the engine reassembly section, it specifically says to use anti corrosion grease on these bolts. Obviously can't use both. Any thoughts?

Hoping that the new inner piece and the RTV fixes the issue..For reference, here is the info i am following..Originally posted by AMD Rules, and referencing Jeff G

Repost: Water Ingestion & How To Fix It.

I have been asked how to do this so for all here goes.

One of the major complaints of the post 73 inlines was the leaking side plate and water ingestion. The side plate has always been made out to be the culprit but in most cases it isn't so!

There are 3 common ways water gets into the motor. The inner side plate, the baffle plate, (the middle plate on the side of the block) and the lower seals.

Probably the most overlooked and most common is the lower seals. To replace them the block does not have to come apart. The lower end cap can be removed with a simple puller. Replace the seals using some perfect seal around the outside case of the seals and pack grease
between the seals. They must have both lips facing down! Very important.

If the end of the crank is buggered or rusty a speedy sleeve can be installed. The actual location of the seals can be changed to avoid any small grooves in the speedy sleeve.

The inner side plate is pretty straight forward. If the plate is old replace it. If there is a lot of carbon and no sign of water, LEAVE IT ALONE!. If the plate is relatively new and is leaking it can be straightened and reused. You can gently straighten it on the edge of a soft wood table. I recommend replacement in all cases.

Always use a new Mercury gasket, not aftermarket. Clean and retap all the bolt holes, clean the bolts with a wire wheel on a grinder. Then clean the bolts with carb or brake cleaner. Do the same with the bolt holes. Hand clean the gasket surfaces on the block and plate with a
razor blade held at right angles slowly scraping the surface. Wipe clean.

Run a small bead of red high temp RTV sealer on the block. Do not use any RTV with copper. Lightly smear the sealer to ensure complete coverage and a thin coating, don't use too much. Put the gasket into place and do the same with the gasket, so it is coated now on both sides with RTV. Place the side plate into position. You will notice a couple bolt holes are elongated and tight. These are used to line up the plate. Use a drop of red loctite (permanent) on each bolt and finger tighten
them. Once all are installed you can torque the bolts in three even stages to 200 INCH pounds. Start in the middle and work outward in clockwise circles. Once torqued leave it for at least 24 hours. Do not re-check torque!

The third area to check is the baffle plate. this is the middle of the 3 plates on the exhaust side of the motor. Please read the following very carefully. This plate is quite often the cause of internal leaks!!! Yet it is never checked, nor is it mentioned in any service manual!

The baffle plate has some zig zag ridges that meet with the corresponding ridges on the inner plate. These ridges seal and baffle the exhaust for tuning purposes. With the block on it's side and the inner plate torqued, lay the baffle plate on the block WITHOUT a gasket.
Holding it down in the middle see if it rocks from side to side. If it does it will leak. Next while holding it down with finger pressure look into the cavity from the bottom of the block. If you see any light around the edges, it will leak. If checked with a gasket the thickness of the gasket may hide the high centering of the plate.

You will need to true the baffle plate. Do not try to true the inner plate. You can use a large table sander or a file, or any machine shop. True the ridges of the baffle plate until the plate no longer rocks and very little or no light is visible around the edges. You may not be able
to get it to the point of no light. Place a very small smear of grease on the inner plate ridges and place the baffle plate on the block. Remove the baffle plate and check for the transfer of grease. Keep filing the baffle until no grease is transferred. What you are doing is preventing the baffle plate from high centering on the inner plate.

Once the plate is done you can assemble the motor. After dropping in the pistons and checking the rings, place the baffle plate and exhaust cover (outer plate) on the block using some RTV as a gasket sealer. (You can run a very thin bead of red RTV on the baffle ridges as well, although not necessary for pleasure boating) A very thin coating will do. Black or red is acceptable. Torque the bolts to between 150 and 200 inch pounds in three stages beginning in the middle and working outward. Use some blue removable loctite on the bolts. Clean the bolts and holes as you did the inner plate.

This should cure your water ingestion problems.
 

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I also wanted to confirm that the new quicksilver needles do not appear to have a neoprene tip. I ordered replacements as I thought i must have bought an off brand, but they appear to be all metal
 

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Do you have sidebowl carbs? My '77 IL6 had the SS neoprene-tipped needles and solid brass seats, in sidebowl carbs.
 

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Do you have sidebowl carbs? My '77 IL6 had the SS neoprene-tipped needles and solid brass seats, in sidebowl carbs.
Yes. I have the WMK-40 carbs. I went back through them, slightly changing the tangs, and checked the needles while I did.
I had initially set the tangs to the 13/32 measurement, but there is a lip and a center valley. I am assuming it is measured off the lip, but that left the top tang slightly above parallel. I realized that ultimately you want that parallel to the surface. I think the other measurement probably would work too, as they both sealed when pressed on a block of wood, but figured I might as well dial it in there.

I’m excited to hopefully seal the water jacket side. The new inner cover sits flat. I believe that is where the water intrusion was coming from. I’m using the ultra red on the gaskets and permatex 2244 on threads. Plan is to torque it to 200, instead of 150
 

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Now the trick is trying to find a day to put the boat in the water before the weather really goes to crap! I live in the PNW, and though moderate through winters, it’s cold and rainy starting about now.

I’m determined to get it out and check the motor. Plan is to put a few hours on it, look at the plugs, and possibly pull the transfer ports to see what they look like. That’s the easiest way I can think of to check if the plugs aren’t showing anything conclusive.

I was thinking of putting together a semi permanent PSI gauge so I had a baseline for motor cooling. Have any of you guys done that?
 

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Id be a bit ( lots ) leary of over torquing . specially by that much ( 33%) . If the book says 150 then thats what you should do .:)
 

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I ran a dash mounted water pressure gauge on my IL6. I put a brass tee in the cylinder head water jacket outlet and used a 0-15 PSI gauge.

That motor should run dead cold at idle, and not warm up until cruising.
 

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Id be a bit ( lots ) leary of over torquing . specially by that much ( 33%) . If the book says 150 then thats what you should do .:)
I’ve gone back and forth on this. I’ve had a couple of old motor mechanics who recommended that for these engines. I worry that the torque specs assume perfectly mated surfaces and threads. I’ve done my best to clean threads and clean the gasket lands.
 

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I ran a dash mounted water pressure gauge on my IL6. I put a brass tee in the cylinder head water jacket outlet and used a 0-15 PSI gauge.

That motor should run dead cold at idle, and not warm up until cruising.
Im thinking about something like that. I don’t have room on the dash. But something to keep tabs on the cooling.
So, when engine was cool, at idle, what were you seeing? At full throttle? I rebuilt water pump, new pipe and gasket. Seems like telltale was solid, but have not been able to measure water pressure yet
 

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A hand on the exhaust cover at idle felt as cool as the water in the lake. The exhaust cover would feel warm at cruise.

Those motors are designed to increase cooling as RPM increases, unlike most motors with a thermostat, where cooling peaks at lower RPM, and the cooling is controlled by the thermostat. Not sure that makes much sense....
 
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