gas/oil mix

ZmOz

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> Didnt say you couldnt, just said "You dont need too"!!
And I never said you need to. All I said was it is a very good idea, and it is. ;)
 

rickdb1boat

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All I said was it is a very good idea, and it is
I have to agree with lubedude on this. Use what the Manufactuer suggests. They allow for that extra bit of oiling, anyway. They can run on 100:1 if nessesary, but I would'nt unless I had too... No offence intended..
 

LubeDude

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OK, Im done, cant say anything else without it just being an argument, I think we have both made our points.
 

phatmanmike

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i run my inline at 40:1, runs fine, and yes i DO run it at or near WOT 90% of the time. <br /><br />im with oz on this, i know 50:1 will work 100%, but i like to have a small percentage extra, incase i spill or any wierd a$s variable may happen. ive seen the prices to rebuild these inlines, and id rather buy new plugs.<br /><br />but for all the other motors out there.. 50:1 is what is recomended. too lil oil and you buy a new motor. too much oil and you buy new plugs<br /><br />my motor is old( 1976) and i feel safer doing it this way. i wont tell you your wrong cause you dont, and i dont feel you should tell me i am . its my security blanket, and i like the way it feels! thanks ! :)
 

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Follow the manufacturers recommendation, after all they designed the motor so they probably have a good idea of what ratio it will run best on. Adding more oil just fouls the plugs quicker and leads to more carbon build up. If your having problems mixing a 50:1 ratio, it's time to buy an oil injected model.
 

ronmold

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You don't need more oil - just better oil! LOL
 

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Cool it guys. We frown on recommending something different that MFG specs.<br /><br />The correct mix, KIAs notwithstanding, is what the manufacturer specifies. (This may be different than what the MFG recommends as far as brands goes.)<br /><br />Alarmnow's engine needs a 50:1 mix with TC-W3 oil.
 

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You guys scare me. I haven't put the boat in the water since I got it. Its a 80s Merc 1150 and I just bought some Johnson/Evinrude 50:1 and mixed it in a 5 gal can. I am comfortable with the ratio but I couldn't find any other brand. Now do I pour it in or use it for my weedeater and wait to find some other brand?
 

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Youre fine BG, just run it and have a good day. My motor is an ancient 69 Merc 1250, and it does just fine on 50:1, which is what it is supposed to run.
 

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Just because the manufacturer recommends it doesn't mean it is best. Quite often the opposite is true. Think about it...it's in Mercury's best interest for your motor to NOT last as long as it could. When you're motor wears out, you have to come running to them to buy overpriced parts and new motors. If they wanted you to run what's best for your motor, they would tell you to use synthetic, but they don't. One of the LAST things a manufacturer thinks about for oil is how well it will protect the engine.
 

ZmOz

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> Hey OZ, You have finally gone off the Deep End. :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:
That happened years ago. ;) <br /><br />Am I wrong about manufacturers not wanting what's best for your engine? Take newer transmissions for an example. Many new automatic transmissions don't come with a dipstick, and the manufacturer says the fluid never needs to be changed. Anybody that knows anything about oil knows that's BS, but the manufacturer doesn't care. It looks good to new buyers that think "great, I don't have to pay for transmission service!" and then the transmission goes just after the warranty runs out. It's a win win for the manufacturer. Same goes for Mercury outboards. They don't want what's best for YOU, they want what's best for THEM! That's the way any company works.<br /><br />Again, we're only talking about 40:1 here, not 25:1. If you want to use 50:1 that's fine, it's your motor. But don't do it simply because the manufacturer says so.
 

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Yes, Oz, you are wrong about MFG not wanting what is best for your outboard.<br /><br />What a MFG specifies and what they recommend are often different. Common example: Require (specify) TC-W3 oil, and recommend their own brand.<br /><br />Dipsticks only tell you how much fluid you have, nothing to do with changing it. Transmissions that leak need dipsticks. <br /><br />My MBs specify change of trans fluid and filter at 100K. No dipstick.<br /><br />Manufacturers care. You have no truly logical basis for accusing Mercury or any other brand of deliberately acting against the customer's interest.<br /><br />Like most conspiracy theories, yours is about 2 microns thick.
 

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ZmOz,<br />If it makes you feel better do it, but running extra oil isn't likely to do anything better. Just my opinion though.<br /><br />The motor mfgs have huge safety margin in their specs already. An OMC warranty (commercial division) mgr told me they only required 150:1 at full throttle for protection and 300:1 at idle. He also told me OMC went from 100:1 back to 50:1 for corrosion protection. They were seeing a lot of warranty issues on corrosion from folks letting their motors sit a couple of months between use.
 

rickdb1boat

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Do ya really think the Manufactuer wants their motors blowing up? Sure wouldn't sell alot of them once word got around!!! Run it at what they say and be happy!! ZmOz, you can run whatever you want....
 

ZmOz

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Originally posted by JB:<br />My MBs specify change of trans fluid and filter at 100K. No dipstick.<br /><br />Manufacturers care. You have no truly logical basis for accusing Mercury or any other brand of deliberately acting against the customer's interest.
And guess what? Your trans SHOULD be changed before then, it will last longer, I guarantee it. Mercedes knows that, but they don't care. 100k changes make you happpy to throw money at them, and it will out last the warranty. Ask anybody that knows anything about oil, they'll tell you the same thing. Do you think Mercededs invented some magical trans fluid that lasts 3 times longer than any other? My Jeep's manul recommends I change the oil every 7500 miles. That's ridiculous. If I did that I'd be luck to get 150k out of it. Anybody that thinks the manufacturer wants what is best is severely mis informed. I wish I could live in a bubble like that.<br /><br />BTW - nobody has given a good arguement why 40:1 would be a bad thing... :rolleyes:
 

phatmanmike

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zmoz, youre starting to scare me....<br /><br />i like extra oil too, but its not madatory. my motor is always at WOT so id rather have the extra 1% of oil.<br /><br />clams canino recamends it in an older inline merc. nuff said for me.<br /><br />50:1 is excellent! no probs. heck you probably could even run at 80:1 if you ran slowly all the time.....<br /><br />just be safe and use SYNTHETIC if you can afford it.
 

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />
Originally posted by JB:<br />My MBs specify change of trans fluid and filter at 100K. No dipstick.<br /><br />Manufacturers care. You have no truly logical basis for accusing Mercury or any other brand of deliberately acting against the customer's interest.
And guess what? Your trans SHOULD be changed before then, it will last longer, I guarantee it. Mercedes knows that, but they don't care. 100k changes make you happpy to throw money at them, and it will out last the warranty. Ask anybody that knows anything about oil, they'll tell you the same thing. Do you think Mercededs invented some magical trans fluid that lasts 3 times longer than any other? My Jeep's manul recommends I change the oil every 7500 miles. That's ridiculous. If I did that I'd be luck to get 150k out of it. Anybody that thinks the manufacturer wants what is best is severely mis informed. I wish I could live in a bubble like that.<br /><br />BTW - nobody has given a good arguement why 40:1 would be a bad thing... :rolleyes:
How do you check the level without a dipstick? It has a low fluid sensor? The 100k change frequency may be from the tranny holding a large volume of fluid. I have a 3126 CAT (250hp)and ordered it with the oversize crankcase pan. CAT specs oil changes at 250 hrs on the standard pan and 400 hrs on the big pan. The larger pan hold 27 qts...about 10 more than the stock pan. It also has super large cooling fins vs no fins on the stock pan.
 

ZmOz

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Originally posted by phatmanmike:<br /><br />i like extra oil too, but its not madatory.
Did I ever say it was mandatory?? The ONLY thing I'm trying to say here is 40:1 is a REALLY good idea and there are almost no side effects to it. That's it! <br /><br />You guys really need to start thinking for yourself rather than doing everything by the book...it's really quite pathetic. This is the ONLY forum out of 15+ mechanical forums I visit where everybody is afraid to do anything different. If everybody did everything by the book we wouldn't have outboard motors to begin with...
 
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