1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

weslwl

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i have rebuilt carbs and fuel pump. idles fine on water hose. took it to river idles rough and stalls when i put it in gear. it will rev up just fine it but falls on its face when i put it in drive. i also done compressin check its fine. i just bought the boat. hope i didnt get ripped off. i didnt replace the check valves in fuel pump.they were not included in the rebuild kit. could this be the problem. any help i can get would be greatly appreciated. also should water come ot of the top exhaust at idle.
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Take the dist cap off and clean it with hot water and dish soap don't try to remove the rotor as it is part of the shaft assm. and costs over $100 If the carbon is worn replace it--Bob
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Check and make sure you have GOOD hot spark on on the cyl! Spark should jump 7/16 gap. If you've got fire I would say it might be out of adjustment.
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Make sure you have good plugs in it too!
 

stevee32

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Sounds like the merc syndrome.Bad reed blocks is the idle screw cranked clear out?
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

weslwl, "The reed block syndrome" is a term used by "Techs" in large part that don't have a clue to the engine problem. You can either throw money at it or they will let you take it home in pieces--Bob
 

weslwl

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

what do you mean by bad reed blocks and bringing it home in pieces?
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Have seen alot of older mercs that have the reed blocks wore out from alot of hours on them.Wich causes them to suck air between the cylinders wich cause them to run lean.You can idle them up so they stay running in neutral like 1200 rpm put them in gear and want to die or do die.Richen the idle air screws up and it may get enough fuel to stay running when you put it in gear if you don"t mind the death jerk it will give the transom.Go to mercury school and they will tell you a little about it.
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Also on the hose they will idle fine because there is not a loed on it at all until it is in the water
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

weslwl, sorry for this intrusion on your post, but would like to respond to stevee and to also anwser what I meant on my responce to "The Reed Block Syndrome". First stevee,I have been to Mercury service school many times, I did not just attend but became a master mechanic back in 1980. In the schools I attended at Fond Du Lac, they wuold not even discuss problems with past production motors, that may have changed, I will ck. and find out, if wrong about that I will apoligise. That being said I have only seen 1 engine out of 100s that a have rebuilt with a labyrinth seal in the reed blocks worn out. It would be difficult as the crank does not touch the seal and could only in the case of a bad main bearing.(the fuel, oil mix is what inhances the seal on the reed blocks labyrinth seals. I have seen alot of broken reeds and a few broken reeds blocks. Usally a motor that will idle on a hose but not in the water needs carb attention first, some have a lower main seal out, In the case of the side port pistions the cyl taper will cause that type of a problem, but you don't start with the reeds inless you are exploiting the customers.// weslsl, that I meant in my statement the "Reed Valve Syndrome" was that some places that are not to apt at trouble shooting will tell you that it is a reed valve problem, give you a price on a repair and then after tear down, come back with a revised est. Now the engine needs to be rebored, new pisions and etc. a complete rebuild and some do, many others were torn down, by 'Techs" that did not have a clue of that the problem with the engine was, but in most cases a complete rebuilt will repair the problem. But I think most mechanics have had to repair some of these engines, that were give up on by the orginal repair shop.--Bob
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

I agree that the reed issues are NOT the 1st place to look. If it can idle on the muffs the reeds (and blocks) are probably good enough to run right.<br /><br />Search on my post "timing and synch" which will give you all you need to tune the thing.<br /><br />-W
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Just giving the guy an idea on what it could be.I guess the reed block that cliff passed around at morain park (wich was hogged out) does"nt mean nothing.sorry
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

No - it means something. It points out the isolated "worst case scenarios".<br /><br />I've rarely seen the reed blocks so hosed that they alone are what porks an inline. The only time they see wear is during any crankshaft flex. <br /><br />Now granted those cranks DO flex... but still...<br /><br />The idea here is to have the user exhaust the probable and plausible explainations for strange motor behavior, *then* when all else fails look to the worst. The reed issues are not the front line problems, and lately we've seen a rash of unscrupulous marine shops jump straight to them in order to sell an overhaul, or a new outboard.<br /><br />-W <br /><br />-W
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

I've had this problem before,mine was in the carbs and the idle ajustment,their very touchy,<br />it all happened after the carb rebuild,my 2 cents.<br />good luck
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

You figure out the problem yet Wes?
 

weslwl

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

no i havent seaman. i readjusted the needle and seat. the two little levers. because the top carb was leaking some gas out the front. got the leaking stopped there. now there are a few drops coming out the bottom of the carbs at the screw that is under the main jets. and now it wont start unless i spray some fuel in the front of the carbs and my primer bulb wont stay firm after i pump it up. do u know of any fuel pump retrofits that i could change it out to. any info you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

I had similiar problems on my 93 115. It turned out to be a torn diaphram and worn check valves in the fuel pump. A full pump rebuild solved the problem. I don't know anything about your motor but thought i'd let you know what worked on mine.
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

A long time ago when I was kid trying to fix my 46 Ford that wouln't run, my Ma asked if I had enough air in the tires. Kind of the reverse of the reed block syndrone. Moral is ...start with something simple. Has always worked for me except with this 50 Merc I'm having trouble with.
 

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Re: 1979 140 mercury idles rough stalls when i put it in gear

Good idea throw a bunch of money at it and find out it is junk anyway.Kind of funny ladies has only seen 1 out of 100s with reed block isues I have 2 of them rite now.And when he went to school in 1980 there would not be any problem with the reed block in the 1979 merc it was only 1 year old.And to his other post on this merc I would like you to show me a dist cap on the 1979 merc since there is not one.And for the crank not touching the reed blocks what do you think I was talking about when I said they do this when they get alot of hours on them the bearings get loose and the crank will touch the block.Why do you think they do not use the reed blocks that ride around the crank now.Ma and my 46 ford what the &#@!.
 
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