03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

redbull660

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I have a 2003 yamaha 115 horse 4 stroke. I took it out on friday and it ran very well, 5000 RPM. I took it out yesterday, saturday, and it ran fine for the first couple of miles then the rpms were way down to about 4500 and it got progressivley worse after that. When all said and done it was clear down to 4200 rpms and was sputtering. I took it home and pulled off the injectors and sprayed them out, I had to do this last year. I then put the injectors back on and put the boat in the water and tried it again. still running like crap. I cleaned out the little screw on filter and even put some additive in the fuel. Is there another filter somewhere that may be plugged, any help would be great. If all else fails I will have to take it to the dealer. thanks
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

yes there is one in the vapor seperator, its possible you have a bit of trash there. there is also one in the pressure regulator.<br /> a quick injector test is to securly tie off the hull, place it in gear and bring it up to about 2000 RPM. unplug each injector one at a time and watch the RPM drop. this will aid in isolating any one affected cyl. if all drop the same its most likly further up the fuel system. without some other test equipment its tough to do much else.
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

I will try that this morning, Yesterday we would bring it up to about 2000 rpm and pull off and spark plug wire on at a time and listen for a change in the engine. they all acted the same, the spark plugs all looked good also. I will try the injector unplug technique and go from there. If its not that, I will have to try and find the other 2 filters. Also will my dealer be able to hook this up to a computer and find the problem.
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

Well I couldnt figure it out so I took it to a yamaha dealer to have it fixed. I asked them if they had a machine or computer to hook up to it and tell me the engine hours. They said no that they dont have one yet. I thought great, how in the heck are they going to fix it. well I will let you guys know what they come up with. I wish rodbolt lived near Forsyth Montana.
 

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Well the dealer called me today and said that they got there computer in to diagnose my engine. The computer said that the temp sending unit wires were shorted out. So they fixed the wiring and they said it runs good. Cost me a total of $24.00.<br /><br />I was really expecting the worse. I bought the engine used for $6400.00 with 162 hours on it, It now has 188 hours on. So I guess it will last me a long time. Thanks for the help
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

You must be living right to get out of the dealer's shop for $24. That was good news! A long life to you and your motor. Now I tip the glass.
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

well it failed again today, It ran good all day yesterday, around 5000 rpm, took it out today and it ran fine for about a half hour. Then it started missing and would only run at 4400 rpms. I let it idle and it was running ruff. I individually pulled off the spark plug wires and the injecter plugs, each one would change the way it ran. So as far as I know the spark plugs and injecters are working. <br /><br />I contacted flagship marine and they only test injecters for dealerships. The dealers around here just started selling yamaha outboards and really dont know what there doing. What gets me is that it will run good and then after a while it starts to run like crap. If its a spark plug or an injecter wouldnt it do it all the time. Maybe its a coil or the cdI box. I dont know what to do now. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks
 

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like I say, its most likly a clogged injector or a clogged VST filter, if it was a valve or a piston issue it would not come and go, if it runs well up to 4400 and then no more I would suspect fuel delivery, none of which will show up on the laptop. you can get the test lamp assy from yamaha for about 70 dollars that will output any codes.<br /> I really did not think the sensor wires would do ya. for one thing the lap top wont give shorts or opens, it will set a code for a malfunctiopn and the ECU mapping will set to default.if the cooling water sensor voltage goes below.1V or above 4.4v the ign control is normal,fuel control is normal and the ISC will be set for a 900 rpm idle, thats alsways a sign a sensor failed.<br /> but a failed coolant sensor has no affect on WOT only increased idle speed.<br />like I said, tie it off, place it in gear, run it up to about 2 k RPM and one at a time remove and reinstall the injector clips, watch the tach closely.<br /> almost any sensor failure on that motor will result in a 900 RPM or more idle speed.<br /> the system does not monitor fuel pressure or flow.<br /> occasionally the ign system will fail but its awful rare. so far I have seen one main relay and one ECU fail on the F115, not bad for a motor thats been out 6 years. both of those failures occued on the same engine 4 days apart.<br /> first symptom was the engine would not shut off, tap the relay with the key off and the engine quit, replaced the relay and it ran fine, 4 days later it was back with an odd power loss. tap on the ecu with my knuckles and it would either run well again or quit. computer said there was nothing wrong.
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

I have taken the injecters out and used my air hose and sprayed them out. I have done this 3 times and everytime it will run great and then it gradually gets bad. where is the vst filter and how much are they. thanks
 

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its on the high pressure pump in the vst, you have to remove the intake manifold to do it. send the injecters to flagship for servicing.<br /> http://www.flagshipengine.com/index.htm <br /> they eill replace the filters and flow test them.<br /> are you running the 10 micron 90gph yamaha water seperator?<br />if not its the best 44 dollars you can spend.
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

No I am not running the water seperator, but I am going to get one
 

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get the new 10 micron 90GPH unit. the filters in the injector are about 10 micron as well. they are the smallest sized filter in the fuel system.
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

sounds good, I did find a yamaha boat engine dealer in Billings montana. Its about a 100 mile drive so I am going to take the boat up to them on wednesday. I looked at there web site and they have a repair shop. I am also going to get the 10 micron filter from them. Hopefully they can fix it. but before I take it to them I am going to try the 2000 rpm test and pull off the injecter plugs.
 

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if its a partial clog it may not show up at 2K.<br /> its not difficult but it is time consuming to clean the VST.<br />reqires no special tools, basic hand tools and the service manual are it.<br /> takes me about 3 hours to clean the VST and r&r the injectors. you will need the intake gasket and possibly the oring for the VST, the VST filter can usually be cleaned.<br />while its all opened up flush the rail and pressure regulator as well
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

well I am taking the baot to a dealer tomorow to get it fixed. <br /><br />Another question about the fuel/water separator. I have found here on iboats a "seachoice fuel/water separator and canister for 22.00. will this work on my yammy. It says that it will work on 2 and 4 stroke engines.
 

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a sock will work but will it properly filter? I think the seachoice is a 30 or 40 micron. its your money and your motor, clogged pumps and injectors are NOT warrenty nor any damage they create.
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

well I took it to a different dealer in Billings Montana, they put it on there computer and it showed that the water temp sensor had an open circuit and the pulser coil was bad. He is ordering both parts. He also said that he has had the computer show a bad pulser coil and it was really just a bad ground. So when he gets the parts he is going to put them on and retest the system. If it shows a bad pulser coil he will then know its a bad ground and wont charge me for the coil. The parts should be in this week and up and running by the weekend.
 

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he is pokin and hopin. the pulser is very easy to test for resistance, DVA output and shorts to ground, however its a two wire coil and has no ground.<br /> code 13 is a pulser failure, symptoms will be ign timing fixed at 10*BTDC, ISC fixed to idle at 900 RPM and top speed cannot be reached.<br /> open circuit on the coolant temp sensor will set a code 15 and will default the idle speed to 900 RPM,and WOT can be reached, it will just idle to fast.<br />idle speed in gear is 700 RPM plus or minus 50.<br /> so far none of your posts indicate any High idle problems, and now we have gone from a shorted sensor to an open sensor.<br /> and I am even more suspect becuse the pulser coils have no grounds, at least none we can check.<br />they may have some in the ECU but I doubt it. its a trigger signal for the coils and the injection sequence.<br />ask to see their fourstroke systems traing book and the advanced 4 stroke training book they recieved when attending the courses, the electrical and fuel systems books are nice too. aint but one way to get the training manuals.
 
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