03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

well I dont know what to say, all I know is what he is telling me.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

tell him to toss the laptop and test the systems.<br /> the laptop is an aide, it will not fix anything. the human brain coupled with an understanding of the systems involved is much better. ask them to test the ign timing at idle, should see about 4*ATDC anything else will indicate a problem, if its fixed at 10BTDC and idling fast its a sensor failure, if Idle is normal I dont see any sensor issue. any sensor failure will result in a 900 RPM engine idle speed on that F115.<br />some will prevent WOT from being reached but all will default to 900 RPM at idle.<br />ask them to run a loaded pulser coil output voltage test with the engine running. about 26V at 1500 and 44V at 3500.<br />if something is loading the signal you will see it as low output voltage, if the coils test ok unloaded I would suspect an ECU.
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

I will write all this down and tell him, hopefully he wont be offended. thanks
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

All I can tell you is that when it is acting up it will not reach WOT (only4200 to 4400rpm) and it will shake as its idleing.
 

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

then the only time it can be tested is when its acting up.<br /> does the idle speed ever increase to 900 RPM?
 

rodbolt

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then odds are its a problem not monitored by the ECU.<br /> if ya wanna watch the timing and ISC work then while its on the laptop disconnect the intake air sensor or the coolant sensor and watch the ISC values, if they move and engine speed does not increase look closly at the ISC.<br /> this motor will pretty much trouble shoot itself if you let it.<br /> like I say any sensor failure will result in an idle speed of about 900 RPM. pulser failure will result in fixed injection and ign timing will fix at 10*BTDC regardless of gear position. <br /> so if the problem was actually a failed pulser or an open or shorted coolant,intake air temp or intake pressure sensor the ISC would opento a default setting of 900 RPM. if the TPS is unplugged or fails ign and fuel control will be done by intake air pressure sensor and the ISC will default to the 900 RPM setting and idle speed may increase. thats when the laptop is nice, you can watch what the ECU"ses" and how it reacts and make a physical comparison.<br />the ECU gets RPM and crank positon information from the pulser coils, it gets throttle angle information from the TPS, it gets engine load information from the intake pressure(MAP) sensor, the engine cooling sesnor and the intake air temp sensors fine tune fuel delivery for varying air densities and block temps.<br />The ECU is actually rather stupid, it takes vltage signals input to it to make an output according to an internal truth table.(map) if inputs a,b and C are value E then the outputs of x,y and Z are modified accordingly.<br />its all about keeping a 14/1 air/fuel mix in the combustion chamber and sparking it at the correct time.<br />the ECU does not monitor actual fuel flow through the injector nor fuel rail pressure, it assumes all is ok if the high pressure pump is running.<br /> based on input information about engine speed,throttle opening,intake air pressure(vacum) intake air temp and block temp the ECU will control the "on" time of the injector and where the piston is when spark occurs.<br /> just like engines of the 1800's, its all about suck,squeeze, bang and blow. all that other stuff just helps it go.
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

Well I got the boat back. The dealer finally checked the voltages on the pulser coil and discovered that is was good. I had him change the vst filter just in case, he said that it looked spotless. I also had him take out the injecters and clean them. He said he sprayed them out with air and carb cleaner making sure the little filters on each injector was clean. He also set the air screws or something like that so they were around 2 mercury from each other. I got it home in time for memorial day weekend and it runs perfectly, around 5300 rpm.<br /><br />I also ordered a yamaha fuel/water seperator today for $39.00 from the dealer. I hope it stays running like it is now. thanks.<br /><br />The dealer also told me that he would like to see the engine running around 5800 rpm. Well I am running a jet instead of a prop. I am running a 7 and 3/8 inch jet impeller and he said that if I run a 7 and 3/16 inch impeller it would run at 5800 rpm.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

beats me on the impeller but I am with him on the RPM.<br /> like I say it does not take much debris and the fuel system will not work.
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

HE also sold me a quart of some yamaha fuel additive that cost me 27 dollars, he said it would help with any carbon build up.
 

redbull660

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Well I got it figured out finally. It was dirty injectors. It ran great for the first couple of hours then it fell on its face again after the dealer got it back to me. I then took it home and pulled the injectors off and they were full of rusty looking dirt. I would tap them on a clean white rag and the stuff would come out. I knew then that a filter was not doing its job. I cleaned all the injectors. I then took off the screw on filter that is on the back of the engine. there was the same looking rusty dirt in the bottom of it. I looked at the stock filter that pushes up in there, after further investigating I found that it had a seam where the paper filter is put together. It had a big gap in it. This is where all of the junk was going by and getting into my injectors. I totally eliminated that junk filter and put a clear inline filter in from napa. I have put about 10 hours on it now and its never run better.
 

ssayzarc

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

Your VERY BEST advice, I mean, like a light shining from above, is to go to your dealer and get a 10 micron filter kit(comes with the head and all) and put it on your boat. Your going to kill your engine, the way you're going...we get a lot of people like you wondering why they have a 2-stroke blow up on 'em, and all they needed was a decent fuel/water seperator....hate to see fine machinery abused....
 

ssayzarc

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

Yeah, I know you have a 4-stroke, but EFI can't take ANY crud....
 

rodbolt

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

but it does keep me in fine italian designed venezuelan made shoes, got 2 more pair this trip and got to do some tapon and snook fishing.
god bless nasty fuel systems and no seperators. I think fuel water seperators should be outlawed, I mean like I really need the money :).
 

Casco Bay Outrage

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

...just like engines of the 1800's, its all about suck,squeeze, bang and blow. all that other stuff just helps it go.

Rodbolt - That is hysterical ! Thanks !
 

redbull660

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Re: 03 yammy 4 stroke running bad again.

I did put a 10 micron water/fuel separator on, the crap still got by it and went to my injectors. Its running fine now.
 
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