08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

Seems many of todays high horsepower high tech diesels get horrible fuel mileage, are problematic, expensive to fix and cost more per mile to operate than a gas engine.

Get a gas job, Chevy small block is still the best one. :cool:
 

jaxnjil

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

my son is into diesels and they are popular at the mine where he works.

he has a dodge like the one i was looking at but a little older. his is the earlier model thats good. he looked at and drove the truck, and warned me off it and for what i want. strongly recommending i look for a dura max equipped gmc or chev. he likes his just fine but i have some handy cap issues that he under stands and recommended the gm's because of the ride quality and my being used to the gm cab lay out ect.
it has also been mentioned going with a gas 3/4 ton but if i don't think i'll do that. rather keep what i have.

reason for looking now is would able be to take advantage of diesel on up coming haul from powell to mead.

thanks to every one for you comments they all help

going to powell for week end to mull all this over so wont have net till i get back next monday

any comments on the duramax welcomed. have been told to look for the 310 hp model for fuel economy
 

TilliamWe

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

2007 and older for a Duramax is the way to go. As far back as 2003, for sure.
 

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I agree, due to IFS, and lower ride height the Duramax will ride nicer and be easier for ingress/egress. If I wasn't addicted to the Cummins, and didn't need(want) a solid front axle, I'd have a dmax. Only Ford I'd own would be an older 7.3 .

Good luck jaxnjil.
 

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

I do believe the Duramax HP/Torque was increased in 05-06? and I know that the Duramax is an Isuzu diesel (which is a really good diesel in my opinion).

I like the Cummins diesel too...... I believe that any of the current diesels are great for what they are designed for. I do not have any experience with the "newer" Ford 6.0 but the older powerstrokes were great motors. The only problem I encountered with the older powerstrokes was the donut gasket that connected the turbo.

The only common issue between ALL the diesel's available (with the exception of the VW TDI) is the local MPG but, they are all highway master's.
 
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DJ

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There are a few points that need to be understood on 2008 emission (USA) compliant diesels.

1. All of these engines use EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) to help bring down NOx. NOx is a function of combustion temperature. The higher the temp., the more NOx. EGR systems cool the combustion process. Hopwever, EGR systems rob a lot of useable power from the engine. Some systems recirculate as much as 25% of the exhaust gases. The only way to get that lost power/efficiency back is by increasing displacement of the engine.

2. 2008 compliant engines have a DPF (diesel particulate filter). Just as it sounds, this filter cleans out "soot" in the exhaust.

3. DPF's will clog-eventually. Idling greatly increases the load on the filter. Turn it OFF! These new diesels are different and idling is not recommended or needed.

4. DPF systems have a built in "regeneration" cycle. This process is needed to clean out the filter and keep the exhaust system free of excess backpressure.

5. Regeneration occurs by the engine computer sensing an exhaust restriction and signaling the injectors (or single injector) to dump raw fuel into the exhaust stream. This allows the DOC (Diesel Oxidation Catalyst) to heat up and generate enough heat for the DPF to "light off" and burn out the soot.

This is where fuel economy suffers. There is no driving energy derived from that fuel being dumped into the exhaust. Again, excessive idling just makes this situation worse. This is also where one might find an unwanted issue-engine oil dilution

With all that said, 2010 compliant engines will use the same system with the addition of UREA. Urea is basically anhydrous ammonia (32%) and dionized water (68%). Urea will turn exhaust gases into NO2 and water.

Urea will be sold in various sized containers and dispensed near diesel fuel pumps. At least that is the plan.

Urea usage is expected to be about 1% of fuel usage.

Urea prices are expected to be about $4.00/gal.

Urea injected systems will increase fuel economy dramatically. The regeneration process (DPF) will be cut by as much as 90%.

In addition, 2008 and up compliant diesel engines MUST use CJ-4 rated engine oil. Anything less will have catastrophic (read expensive) consequences, the first being a permanently clogged DPF.

A couple more tips.

1. Other than California, diesel fuel cetane ratings are NOT mandated. Cetane is a functon of the diesel fuels ability to burn. The higher the cetane rating, the better the fuel and the better (cleaner) it will burn.

2. I see cetane ratings as low as 35, in many areas. Most of todays diesels need at least 45 cetane to run properly. Low cetane fuels lead to EGR coking. It is the number one cause of this.

3. I highly recommend a cetane booster be added to diesel fuel (unless you absolutely know your fuels rating). Adding the booster can increase MPG by as much as 2 MPG. Most cetane boosters are about $6.00 for enough to treat 35 gallons.

4. These new diesels are very maintenance intensive. However, if one follows the makers maintenance recommedations to the letter, they will perform great.

There is a huge "learning curve" going on in the diesel market right now. Operators need to be educated on the proper operation and maintenance of this new generation of diesels. A good rule of thumb is to change engine oil and filters every 200 hours of operation. Most of todays diesel trucks have an hour meter incorporated into the odometer.

Your absolute BEST source of information is your owners manual. :eek: There, I said it, I referenced the least read book in the history of the world.;)
 

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

There are two 2007.5 Dodge 6.7L diesels here at work. Both had issues early on that were fixed by the dealer, the guys driving them get around 15mpg and have seen 17mpg on a trip once.

My personal truck is a 2007 Dodge 5.9L diesel with 6 speed manual. 23mpg every day on the commute to work and 25mpg on long trips, all hand calculated as the overhead computer does read .3-.5 on the hight side.
I keep the rpm <2k for best mpgs.
 

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

DJ, excellent explanations, thank you.

Any chance that Urea will be substituted with a more common fluid? ;)

2003 was a year of increased HP and Torque in the Duramax. But if you will remember, for about 3-4 years there (maybe longer) Ford Dodge Chevy upped the HP every year to have the highest. Not sure what the real seat-of-the-pants difference really was.

Duramax is an Isuzu engine, but remember, GM owns Isuzu, or at least a huge stake of it.
 
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TilliamWe,

Thanks.

I believe it is TBD on other alternatives to Urea. The infrastructure challenges are steep enough for urea, not to complicate them with another alternative.

Chemically, it can be recreated but at a higher cost.

I stated that Urea is basically anhydrous ammonia with dionized water. That is a true statement but please understand that the anhydrous is of a VERY pure form. In other words, I wouldn't be putting cow urine in my diesel.;)

While Urea seems like the panacea, it has its drawbacks.

1. Urea freezes at 12 degrees F. Most makers have plans for dealing with that with heaters, etc. However, the EPA has stated that frozen Urea dispensers will NOT mandate a derated engine.

2. Urea degrades at any temp over 58 degrees F. It has a shelf life of one week at 158 degrees F. One can do the math from there.

3. The EPA has mandated that all engines must derate (lose power) as the urea tank becomes deleted/degraded. At empty, the engine will only idle.

3. Urea is a hazerdous material but compromised urea can be dealt with in the same manner as used engine coolant. Several companies are now posting MSDS compliance papers.

Personally, I think urea (SCR) Selective Catalyst Reductant) is a good idea. It allows diesel performance to improve and increased MPG. There are extra costs but the MPG gain is worth it, IMHO.

I make that last statement with one caveat. If you WORK a diesel all day long: towing, etc. than diesel is still worth the expense and hassle. If not, gas is the way to go. Let me elaborate.

Diesel: upcharge is $5-7K. Diesel oil change $120.00. Diesel Fuel, $0.25 greater than unleaded., Fuel economy (urea)-maybe 20 MPG (non working).


Gas: Little to no upcharge. Gas oil change $40.00. Gas prices are lower than ULSD diesel. Todays gas engines operate at at least 80% of (new generation-UREA injected) diesel. Non Urea (2008 compliant) diesels fall far behind gas engines in economy.

There is alot of thinking to be done to justify buying a diesel today.
 

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You got my joke about using urine in place of urea, after all! As soon as urea started being discussed, guys started talking about pee as a substitute. Which alsways makes me think of that scene in "Red Dawn" where they pee in the radiator to refill it! :)

Where I work we have two 2008 model International 4700 based trucks with the Maxx Force DT (updated DT466) engine. One had trouble ALL the time with the particulate trap being full, and then got to the point where it wouldn't regenerate. And this was on a truck with less than 80,000miles! Trap got replaced under warranty two months ago, and so far, smooth sailing.
 
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TilliamWe,

I did get the joke.;):D

I thought I'd go into a bit more explanation before some iboaters got an "idea".;)

From what I hear, IH (Navistar) is going to try to meet emissions (2010) with EGR and EPA credits. That information may be flawed.

If they do, that will lock them out of California. Time will tell.
 

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I have been shopping around for a diesel pusher motor home, after reading all this info, I think maybe I will go to gas and have the extra power, after all one is not climbing hills all the time.
 

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Stick with the older diesels and you are ok. stay away from the ones with soot filters. Stick with 5.9 cummins and you are good to go. The 6.0 powerstrokes are a joke, you are better off with a gas engine.
We can all thank our government and the tree huggers for ruining our diesel trucks.
I plan to keep my 01 dodge for a long time because I will never buy a new diesel truck again with all the emmission junk.
My family has 1992, 01, 03, 05, 07 (5.9) cummins and all have had no engine trouble. The 01 has a lift pump problem but that was solved with a new fass fuel pump, and 01 had a faulty diaphram in the injection pump. So my 01 has cost me a few dollars.
The rest of the trucks have had no engine trouble at all.
The 6.0 power stokes are horrible. At work there is one with less than 80k on it and it has had $7k plus of engine work.
 

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

Stick with the older diesels and you are ok. stay away from the ones with soot filters. Stick with 5.9 cummins and you are good to go. The 6.0 powerstrokes are a joke, you are better off with a gas engine.
We can all thank our government and the tree huggers for ruining our diesel trucks.
I plan to keep my 01 dodge for a long time because I will never buy a new diesel truck again with all the emmission junk.
My family has 1992, 01, 03, 05, 07 (5.9) cummins and all have had no engine trouble. The 01 has a lift pump problem but that was solved with a new fass fuel pump, and 01 had a faulty diaphram in the injection pump. So my 01 has cost me a few dollars.
The rest of the trucks have had no engine trouble at all.
The 6.0 power stokes are horrible. At work there is one with less than 80k on it and it has had $7k plus of engine work.
I agree. I've had my 98.5 24valve Cummins for 7 years now. It has all the upgrades and more. It will eat ANY new diesel for lunch, it get's better mileage, I paid cash for it when I bought it, so no ridiculous payments.
I have a FASS system as well. I had one of the first ones for our trucks. In fact, it was such an early system that they gave me an upgraded pump motor for next to nothing when they made them better.

Of course, just this week I finally blew the headgasket, even though I had my wastegate set at 46psi. I got new ARP studs, I should be able to turn the wastegate way up now :D
 

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I have been shopping around for a diesel pusher motor home, after reading all this info, I think maybe I will go to gas and have the extra power, after all one is not climbing hills all the time.

I suggest you go to an RV Forum. Lots of benefit with diesel over gas in a MH. Have fun shopping, its a buyer's market.
 

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Re: 08 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mpg $

here is a update for any one following thread.

after considering all options i bought a new chevy silverado 2500 duramax.

thanks to all who offered advice and knowledge
 
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jaxnjill,

Congratulations on your new addition.

Follow the owners manual and watch your fuel.

Enjoy!
 

jaxnjil

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:)
jaxnjill,

Congratulations on your new addition.

Follow the owners manual and watch your fuel.

Enjoy!
:)

will do.....:D will get some picts up tomorow
 
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