$14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

floatfan

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

CL ad has been taken down, so it obviously sold quickly. :)

:D I'm still smiling.

Interesting conversation on here, I appreciate the input. Quite honestly, I'm a big believer in free markets and things sell when the supply meets the demand at a certain price ("the market price"). This boat will have a price at which it's an attractive option for someone to buy, whether or not that is 14k will remain to be seen (and I know it won't sell at that price).

Sometimes the price requires a market correction with new information (such as these forums) and then this info can be used to set a realistic value.

Mischief Managed - glad you enjoyed the laugh, I enjoyed writing it

tx1961whaler - How do you come up with a $1000 for boat and trailer, other than just throwing a number out there? Just trying to understand your logic, to see if it makes sense. Do you have any data to back that up?

Fishrdan - I include that on all my listings now...helps keep down the number of scammers/spam mail. Another way to think about it is "hey I'm serious and professional about conducting transactions on here" or as other people like to say "No tire kickers". On the bright side...I knew to come here to check out what people are saying, so maybe I'm interested in understanding other data points.

Mikeyboy - I have about 50 pictures, but obviously you can't post that many on Craigslist. Took these pictures before I cleaned the boat up this spring. It's a 1990, I'm not trying to say it's in pristine condition, and trying to be as forward and factual as possible.

Steve49 - Saltwater can affect price 10-15%, especially on motors, which is what this boat is mostly about. I completely agree though, I boat because it's fun and I enjoy it, not for the investment. I think all boaters (especiallly in this forum) are passionate and emotionally attached to their boats, which is great.

tomdinwv - If you received a boat from your grandfather, because he couldn't use it anymore due to health issues, wouldn't you feel some emotional attachment? That doesn't make me think the boat is worth more than it is, but I'm not about to junk it. I don't need the money from the sale, it's more about continuing its legacy and what it represents to me personally, so if someone else can enjoy it then I'd be happy.


Commander - I welcome your "behavioral study", what qualifications do you bring to the table? Not sure how familiar you are with conducting experiments/researchers, but scientists/researchers usually have to be objective and I don't see that from your post. Auto bilge pump was just something I added in at the time, I know it comes standard on many new boats, but then again this is a 1990., so it was worth mentioning.

tpenfield - Fair enough, I don't believe there are any lakes in Falmouth. I have had several conversations with interested parties. And you'd be looking for soft spots in the floor, and check out the transom (maybe hold the motor and see when you shake it to see if there is movement in the transom?). Why waste your time though if you wouldn't be buying it? I hope you're busy enough that you don't have to go look at things you have no interest in, I certainly am.

floatfan - yes, wood rots and I decided to rip out the bow gunwale cushions. I bought the material and whomever buys the boat can have it, it's not in the deal price, but it's over $200 in free material, not sure why someone would complain about that.

Oldjeep - no, deleted because I am posting elsewhere, and you'd be correct that a sunbird in 1990 did not cost 14k. However, an entry level boat today with similar features would cost approximately 30k.

BonairII - 2011 E-tec was more than that...around 8.5K and another 2k or so to rig (need to look at receipts for actual numbers). I looked at NADA numbers for used 2011, but couldn't say what it is actually worth outside of retail. I can sit on this boat for as long as I need/want; already have a new boat lined up for later this summer.

I do take offense to your comment about depreciation though, I'm actually really conservative about pricing used items. Put it this way, I put in over 17k in the past three years, which are sunk costs and I know I'm not getting 14k, however its a starting place. If I get interest/someone makes an offer then I can use that information to determine if the price is too high or low. I can explain deal dynamics to you if you want, but I'm just seeing if I can recover a portion of that money through the sale of this boat.

Thanks everyone - like I said, I appreciate your input. I'm happy to listen to your suggestions about how I can sell this boat, if you so choose to post more.
 

ezmobee

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

There is literally not a single boat of lower quality than a Sunbird. The comparison to a brand new Whaler is absolutely laughable. The E-tec is a fantastic motor but not worth anywhere near the asking price.
 

Philster

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

I don't like Whalers (even aside from my loathing of all things Bostonian), but Da 'Bird ain't even worthy of being ground up into byproducts that could wind up recycled as floatation foam for the Whaler.
 

bruceb58

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

You guys actually believe that he is the guy that actually posted this advertisement on CL? I don't!

The mods might be able to tell if his IP address is from the area but even that doesn't prove anything.
 

oldjeep

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

You guys actually believe that he is the guy that actually posted this advertisement on CL? I don't!

The mods might be able to tell if his IP address is from the area but even that doesn't prove anything.

Doesn't really matter - does it?
 

QC

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

The mods might be able to tell if his IP address is from the area but even that doesn't prove anything.
Yes, Boston area. No, it doesn't prove anything. Heck, if it's entertaining, and doesn't break any rules . . . then, uh, carry on.
 

roscoe

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

It's gotta be the same guy selling this.





Selling my 85 h.p. Force Out Board Motor with Electric Start, Power Trim and Tilt, all the cables and controls. It also has a Stainless Steel Prop, cost me $650.

Thanks for looking. Please Call me at (920) 323 - 2807 The asking price of $3,495 IS A HECK OF A DEAL!



http://northernwi.craigslist.org/boa/2931142281.html
 

roscoe

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

You guys actually believe that he is the guy that actually posted this advertisement on CL? I don't!

The mods might be able to tell if his IP address is from the area but even that doesn't prove anything.


Yes I do.

Don't you?

See post 35.

It was a short email.
 

oldjeep

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

It's gotta be the same guy selling this.





Selling my 85 h.p. Force Out Board Motor with Electric Start, Power Trim and Tilt, all the cables and controls. It also has a Stainless Steel Prop, cost me $650.

Thanks for looking. Please Call me at (920) 323 - 2807 The asking price of $3,495 IS A HECK OF A DEAL!



http://northernwi.craigslist.org/boa/2931142281.html

He's actually got a pretty good shot at that price if it works. To a guy with a blown force its a much cheaper option than switching to something else
 

roscoe

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

yes, really.

Cast the lure, let him take the bait, FISH ON!.
 

roscoe

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

He's actually got a pretty good shot at that price if it works. To a guy with a blown force its a much cheaper option than switching to something else

No way.
He's had it listed for months.

In the mean time, I have located and purchased 3 fine motors with ptt and controls for under $900 a piece.
A 75 hp Merc, a 90 hp Merc, and a 115 Johnson.

Also bought an 80 hp Merc with a trailer and a crappy boat for $1200.

All of these are newer than the one he is selling.

Last year, I couldn't find a decent motor to save my soul. This year, well, I can't control myself.
 

oldjeep

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

No way.
He's had it listed for months.

In the mean time, I have located and purchased 3 fine motors with ptt and controls for under $900 a piece.
A 75 hp Merc, a 90 hp Merc, and a 115 Johnson.

Also bought an 80 hp Merc with a trailer and a crappy boat for $1200.

All of these are newer than the one he is selling.

Last year, I couldn't find a decent motor to save my soul. This year, well, I can't control myself.

Sounds like I've got zero chance of getting rid of the extra ELPTO 50 I rebuilt if you are finding prices like that.
 
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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

Hey, I got to this thread a little late, but I know how to solve the problem of what that boat's worth. :D Just look it up on NADA !!! :facepalm:
 

Philster

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

I apologize to the Bostonians who were offended by comments. :p

It's friendly rivalry from a guy born in Philly (the birthplace of the Nation, with more history and Colonial importance in one decade of history than Boston can.... blah blah blah... I got your Sam Adams right 'ere!)

But I still don't get all the Whaler love.
 

NYBo

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Re: $14,000 for a 1990 Sunbird 170 seem kinda steep???

He's actually got a pretty good shot at that price if it works. To a guy with a blown force its a much cheaper option than switching to something else
Not so much. And $650 for the prop? My BS detector went off big time.

Now, if he was selling the motor (with prop) for that $650, he'd be in the ballpark.
 
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