1860 CCT Deluxe Jack Plate

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I just bought a 2011 1860 CCT Deluxe w/ 4 stroke Yamaha. If anyone has any tips for me in regards to setting the optimal height of the motor using the jack leg I would appreciate. The boat has the flotation pods installed.
As well, what kind of speed should I be expecting with this set up?
 

Bob_VT

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Re: 1860 CCT Deluxe Jack Plate

Welcome to iboats.

Uhhhhhhh how fast..........hmmmmm considering the boat and the 4stroke......... IMPOSSIBLE to tell.

There are SO MANY factors......... size of the motor comes to mind since Yamaha makes 4 stroke portables all the way up to monster size motors.

;)
 

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Check out Yamahas website for performance bulletins. They have one for your boat for a F90. It says anticaviplate, 1" above the bottom, I assume that means 1" above the top surface of the tunnel. Do you have a jetdrive or prop? I'm no expert here, but you may get better performance w a 4 blade prop. I have an G3 1860/F90 w/o a tunnel and my boats perf. increased w a Solas 4 blade alum. prop, as opposed to the factory alum. cleaver type 3 blade it came with. The tunnelhulls are generally slower than the semi v jons w the same HP, but thats a price you pay for the safer shallow running w the engine higher up on the transom. I would be interested to hear about your performance as I have thought of getting one of these boats also.
 

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I forgot to mention the size of the motor. Mine will come with the Yamaha f90 4 stroke. Anticavitate? Apparently the floatation pods are supposed to help with cavitation as the water from the tunnel gets channeled then the pods help direct the water to the prop. Not many of these type of boats on the west coast. I plan on fishing mostly on the Fraser river so the need for shallow running is needed. However I do fly fish for trout, so this boat will get me into many of the first class lakes in our province. I also live less than a mile from the ocean, so when the weather is calm, I look forward to scooting around the local hot spots in search of salmon. I know the boat will not perform well in chop, but on a calm day I should have no problem trolling the bigger water. Having the ocean nearby is convenient, as I will be able to adjust the height of the motor so that I get the best performance, and have the motor run as shallow as possible. This way when the river starts to heat up I will have already tuned the boat to run shallow. I will take pictures of the motor height, and the speeds obtained and post back in a couple of weeks.
 

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Re: 1860 CCT Deluxe Jack Plate

I believe you have the prop tunnel, since it is a CCT (last I checked, the jet tunnels were CCJ). Don't use a jet on a prop tunnel - it won't work very well!

The tunnel will cost you around 5mph on the top end compared to the same boat with no tunnel. The custom tunnel boat mfrs. are adding vents to the tunnel to reclaim most of that lost speed, and a lot of DIY'ers are doing the same thing. The big commercial builders like G3 won't do it though because it adds to the learning curve of operating the boat, which is a big negative when you're selling to thousands of people in the general public. Anyway, you can search the web for "vented tunnels" and probably get a bunch of info on it. I've done it and it works.

For a prop, custom props are best. Check with Baumann props out of Houston, TX. They specialize in building props for tunnel boats. I have a double-cupped 3-blade from them that outperforms the 4-blade Merc Trophy Plus that I used to have on my boat. The prop design makes a huge difference on tunnel boats. They also have four-blades, but the three-blades perform just as well on holeshot and you get a little more top-end. They are also priced competitively. Give them your specs and they will usually get the right prop to you the first time - if not, you can send it back and they will replace it with the best one based on your performance changes.

For putt-putting around in shallow water, run the jackplate up. For holeshot, run the jackplate low, then raise it once you get on plane. If you have room, run the boat in a tight circle to help get up on plane quicker.

Btw, it is anti-ventilation plate, not anti-cavitation plate. A good custom prop will ventilate a LOT less than any factory prop.
 

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Re: 1860 CCT Deluxe Jack Plate

I just bought a 2011 1860 CCT Deluxe w/ 4 stroke Yamaha. If anyone has any tips for me in regards to setting the optimal height of the motor using the jack leg I would appreciate. The boat has the flotation pods installed.
As well, what kind of speed should I be expecting with this set up?
Mine is an Express 1870MV, 90C Yamaha, and the bulletins say speed at WOT right about 40MPH, give or take a couple. When I trim up for more speed, boat will porpoise some, but not an issue since I can't keep gas in tanks at WOT, usually cruise 2500 to 3500RPM's. You jack plate will most likely enhance your overall performance and speed. Good Luck!:)
 

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Re: 1860 CCT Deluxe Jack Plate

I just picked up my boat today. The manual jack plate (high jacker) as it is mounted on my boat on it's lowest setting the anti cavitation (ventilation) plate on the motor is positioned approximately 2 " below the tunnel of the boat. This means I am able to raise the motor 6" up from this point. I hope the motor is low enough. I will test tomorrow.
 

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Re: 1860 CCT Deluxe Jack Plate

I just picked up my boat today. The manual jack plate (high jacker) as it is mounted on my boat on it's lowest setting the anti cavitation (ventilation) plate on the motor is positioned approximately 2 " below the tunnel of the boat. This means I am able to raise the motor 6" up from this point. I hope the motor is low enough. I will test tomorrow.

I just boaught the same boat, waiting for it to come from the factory? how did the test go?
 

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Boat test is complete. I have a high jacker jackplate on the back. With the motor in the lowest position I was able to obtain 38.15 mph. Boat was very stable up on plane. Very happy. I raised the motor 1.25" and noticed quite a decrease in maneuverability. During high speed sharp turning the motor would cavitate, and eventually power out until I trimmed the motor down where it would pick up speed again. So to prevent this one would have to take a wider corner, or trim the motor down while cornering sharp. Easily enough. Just a matter of getting used to it. It was a very calm day on the water. I did hit a few sections with some boat wakes, and a bit of wind waves. You could feel the flat bottom hit pretty hard on the bigger waves. This is to be expected with that hull design. Overall, a nice well built solid feeling boat that goes fast! I love it.

Here is a video of the first time out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlRtt8SUgEU&list=HL1329081638&feature=mh_lolz
 

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Nice looking scenery,glad your happy with your boat.
 

Newguytothis

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Geez! nice day indeed. That was a beautiful lake!
So this is where I am confused.
1)The specs from yamaha say you should top out at 25mph, since mine is not here yet, I am really hoping you are right and they are wrong...
2) The jack plate, the way it is installed, can only be lowered 2.5 below the top of the tunnel, to the anti "whatever" plate? So lowering it just 2.5 inches below tunnel top makes that much difference?
3) have you been reading the threads about "venting" your tunnel? or reading about a 4 blade prop being the magic combo for this boat? your thoughts?
 

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Again, I'm no expert. But I do believe that perf. bulletin is wrong, It seems more like a jet motors performance or a 50 hp prop engine. I'm sure from the video that he' not going 25mph, but alot faster. My 03 1860 only has about 5' of wet hull at w/o w a light load and almost no wake at all in flat water. It has a shallow v stem to stern and it looks like the tunnelhull may be a true flat bottom from the video. I find it hard to believe a 90hp can only reach 25 on a 890lb dry weight,17,11" hull. I have not measured my speed accurately yet but ran beside a guy w a speedo who said we were doing 42/44, me w the 4 bld 17pitch Solas. I was also over rpm @ 6300+ briefly. I have also noticed the factory alum. prop I had has no visible cupping, but the Solas does. The difference between the 2 same pitch props was night and day on my boat w the 4 blade being better at all speeds at turning response, throttle response, and stabilty/grip in hard turns like it is on rails even in less than calm conditions, but it's not a tunnel hull so my results could be alot different.
 

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Re: 1860 CCT Deluxe Jack Plate

Hey Mommicked. I'm looking at getting a 4 blade Solas prop. What is the model of the prop? Solas makes different types of 4 blade props.

Amita HR Titan Rubex ???
 

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I went w the Rubex alum.4 bld. 12.5x17 I believe, It was less than $120 w shipping when I bought it.
 

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Been researching today. Sounds like the prop I will choose is the Solas Titan HR 4 stainless. Heavily cupped, high performance, turning, mid range speed, stern lift. Will install and give another update in a couple of weeks.
 

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I went w the Rubex alum.4 bld. 12.5x17 I believe, It was less than $120 w shipping when I bought it.

I ordered the HR Titan 4 stainless with pressed in hub, all the hardware plus prop wrench. Duty delivery and tax to Canada very good price!
 

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I tested the new prop. I raised the motor another 1.5 ". So this is 3" in total I have raised it. When trimmed up the prop is sitting directly behind the tunnel. i don't think I can raise it any more. When I first put the motor into gear, I could tell that at idle the new prop was more grabby, and moved the boat quickly just at idle. When I punched the throttle the bow seemed to come up out of the water, and the stern sunk, for a couple of seconds until it planed. I don't think it did this with the 3 blade prop. Perhaps with a passenger in the bow it might help, but I'm wondering if the I should've gone for a prop with less pitch or diameter. It's not a huge deal, but I expected this prop to shoot the boat out of the water. Maybe the geometry of the motor/stern angle is thrown off because I raised the motor another 1.5". I want to be able to take off in shallow water. I have yet to install the dual batteries under the centre console. I think, once all is said and done, it should be fine. One thing I did notice was excellent control while cornering, and no ventilation.
 

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More weight towards the bow ( batteries) will help w the bow riseing when the throttle is punched. You might also experiment w throttling up gently at first, get going a little, and then hammer it to keep it from squating too much in shallow water. The 3 blade was probably slipping more when you punched it at idle, causing less squating than the 4 IMO. By all means get a tachometer, it will tell you if you've got the right pitch for the weight you carry on your voyages.
 

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Went out with my buddy. Him in the passenger seat, the boat up on plane real quick. Boat handles great. Amazingly, the top speed was the same as with the 3 blade prop. 61 km/h mid range cruising speed was 55km/h. Very happy boater. Cruises at 55km/h at about 3/4 throttle but when I increase the rpm the boat didn't really seem to gain much more speed. I love it!
 

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An update. I am happy with the entire package, but I am experiencing a strong pull to the right until I trim the motor up. It's weird, during acceleration it pulls really really hard, I have to hold the wheel otherwise it will veer to the right. Once I trim the motor up the boat increases speed, and the steering gets really loose. Ie. easy to steer both ways. Very happy at this point, but it's the acceleration that has me wondering. Is this prop torque? The motor looks centered. The jack plate is even. I measured the height on both sides of the jack plate and it's even. The motor is 3 inches higher than stock height. The anti cavitation plate is about 2 inches above the tunnel.
 
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