18rabbit how bout some advise

POINTER94

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I was reading some back posts when I came upon your lengthy and insightful post on the Icom gp-360ml. <br /><br />Well I came up with one, brand new in the box for under $200 bucks, with an antenna. Too much for me to resist. You know the drill, buy something then find out about it. Worse case I e-bay it but I don't see where this is all that complex a unit to operate, and I would like to keep my costs down cuz I got alot of other items I need to purchase and install b4 spring arrives. Head, fuel pump, upholstry, trim indicator, wash down unit, and on and on.............<br /><br />Can you share with me the weaknesses of this unit. What I can expect, and I really need to know how far away from my VHF antenna I need to mount the GPS antenna. You said that the world hates this unit, how come? How accurate have you found your unit to be? <br /><br />You seem to be all over this icom/micrologic transition and I value your opinions and observations. Icom was historically a very good brand.<br /><br />thanks
 

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Re: 18rabbit how bout some advise

You scored big time! I paid $230 for mine about a year and a half ago. For a small screen, LCD chartplotter, it is packed full of features and is a robust unit. It is a vanilla GPS unit. Accuracy is as good as any other GPS unit. I’ve started to track down the DGPS option for it but haven’t found what’s involved yet. It may be as simple as adding an off the shelf “D” antenna with std sc104. If you are interested I’ll let you know.<br /><br />Drawbacks: it doesn’t come with the required 2-amp fuse so you will need to either get one or connect to an appropriate breaker. If you are installing other electronics I recommend you go ahead and install a power distribution panel with breakers. Waypoint naming is limited to 7 characters, but you can add a bunch more to the wp description. I hate 10-key texting so 7 is too much for me. Plastic pwr connector sucks.<br /><br />Documentation is good. I recommend you read the whole user manual before using, then reference back to the manual when you try/learn each function one at a time. For me, the operation is intuitive…but then the menus and functions are the same as my MicroLogic. Everything with more than 1 button has a learning curve so you just jump in there and go for it.<br /><br />I both read and have been told the GPS antenna should be 4 or 5 feet away from the VHF antenna. No one can explain why this is. VHF should not be an interference problem for GPS, unless the VHF antenna install somehow significantly blocks the GPS’s view of the sky. Perhaps others here can weigh in with any experience they have had with interference of GPS reception from VHF.<br /><br />It is critical the GPS antenna not be mounted in the beam of any onboard radar. It will fry the GPS antenna. <br /><br />In general, VHF antennas get mounted high, for greater trans/rec distance, while GPS antennas get mounted low so they are not waving around as much with vessel roll/motion. GPS must have a clear view of the sky so it is better to mount it higher to get the view, than lower with obstructions. By mounting GPS low and VHF high, you are likely to meet the 4 or 5-ft recommendation anyway. That’s the way it worked out for me, it wasn’t planned that way.<br /><br />I agree ICOM makes above-average, quality products. Fwiw, they swept the 2003 NMEA radio awards; best portable VHF (M88), best fixed VHF (M602), best SSB (M802). I am more inclined to the results of Powerboat Reports’ unbiased testing…who just happens to like the ICOM radios as well. I think of ICOM as a radio company only and as such I had to question their commitment to the GPS and Radar products. They already dropped sounding, now GPS. Radar next?<br /><br />I don’t know why people don’t like the unit. Maybe more to do with name brand recognition of other GPS?!? The only specific user criticism I have heard (read) came from someone on these forums that had problems (if I remember correctly) receiving a GPS signal and lagging update time. Fwiw, the unit has the usual 1-sec update rate. I have never had any problem with either MicroLogic or ICOM GPS reception/updating when I had a clear view of the sky.<br /><br />I was not looking for a chartplotter. I was comparing fixed GPS units when I bumped into an unadvertised sale at BoatUS. It was a speculative purchase based solely on what I knew about MicorLogic and ICOM. I figured that in the grand scheme of boat dollars, tossing a $230 irritant overboard is not going to be an issue. The critter exceeded my expectation.<br /><br />As far as valuing my opinion, I don’t think it is any better or worse than other’s posted here. There are people with a lot of experience and knowledge that participate and share within these forums. It’s a great resource.
 

POINTER94

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Re: 18rabbit how bout some advise

Rabbit,<br /><br />Thanks for the info. Based on my search of old posts you were the only one who identified themselves as having this model.<br /><br />I found the same kind of quirks you did. No 2amp fuse??? Power connection looks very cheap, the screen quality seems OK. In messing around with it in my home it grabbed six strong satelites and I started to just play around with the menus and they are all very straightforward and easily accessed.<br /><br />I was talking to my dad who is an old navy electronices guy and he told me to mount the GPS antenna on the oppisite side of the boat than the VHF. He couldn't give me a reason and it didn't ring right with me. I like to mount it on the same side as the VHF antenna and 3-4 feet away. There is nothing in the manual relating to the realtionship to the VHF, just radar.<br /><br />I don't currently have a radar system and if I did It would be mounted on an arch.<br /><br />I am looking at simply buying a little SS 4.5" mounting stem and mounting it on the foredeck somewhat close to the windshield. I have a scarb like boat without the speed or the paint. (A deep V cruiser) All I have right now, <br /><br /> http://noel.primary.net/iboats/pointer94 <br /><br />I would like any ideas from anyone on where to mount this. I will be hooking up the DSC function when I install the new VHF. I been doing this boating thing for thirty years without this technology, but what the hell it's free.<br /><br />I like the power distribution panel idea as I will be adding several new electronic components to the boat this year and I can make cleaner that way while allowing for different Amp requirements.<br /><br />If you find out what is necessary for the conversion to DGPS I would love to know how. So yes, most definately keep me advised.<br /><br />Thanks for your tech and opinions. <br /><br />Doug
 
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