19 CCF - pockets of water?

[Engine/Gas problem]

Hi!

I bought a Wellcraft 19 CCF a couple months ago. I have noticed pockets of water directly under, (and towards the stern) where the drain pipes at the stern of the boat are. I can access and feel the water from the latch at the back (where you access batteries etc) Has anyone experienced the same thing? What did you do?

Also, does anyone know where to find drawings of electrical wiring?

Let me know,

David

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

I will tell you exactly what your problem is and how to fix it. There are 2 scuppers (deck drains) at the rear corners of the boat, those drains drain the deck and empty out a hole on each side of the hull just above the water line. Each of those scupper drains consists of a drain with a check valve which is actually just a small floating ball inside the drain. Anyway what has happened is those two drains have broken under the deck. What you have to do to get to them is to remove the box on each side of your boat that holds extra fishing rods (I don't know what you call those boxes). Anyway once you pull one of those boxes out you will be able to get to the scupper and hose that drains outside.

Now if you read my post from yesterday you will see a modification that in my opinion needs to be done or they are going to break again. This was not a good design in my opinion, the hose that connects the deck drain/scupper to the drain hole outside is too rigid and when the hull flexes it tends to break the weak link which is those $50 scuppers.

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

One of 2 tests will confirm those scuppers are your problem. Take your water hose and run water on the deck for about 5 minutes you will see it running into those drains. Now open the hatch at the rear where the battery is, the one where you say you see water standing and see if you don't have water running into your bilge back there. If so that is your problem.

Test #2 take your boat out and cruise the bay for a half hour. If you have to turn your bilge pump on a time or two that is your problem. When those scuppers are working properly your deck will drain out those two holes on the side when they are broken the deck drains into the bilge and water comes in those holes on the side directly into the bilge.

I have to fix mine in a day or two and I will post some pictures if it helps.

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

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[boat hook]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

David, I also bought a 1997 19 CCF about 2 months ago (96 Evinrude 150hp Ocean Pro with a 71# 24 V pulpit mounted trolling motor). Motored around for half an hour on the Tennessee River when I got it - no problems. First outing was last week - after 45 minutes we had a lower hull full of water! Bilge did clear it but took 20 minutes. My grand-daughter thought that we would have to swim for it! I pulled the scupper assembly on the port side - removed the rod holder box (8 screws) and could not see how such a large volume of water could come from a minor leak in the hose at the scupper itself...anyway I replaced the hose, which was very stiff and hard with a radiator hose of similar diameter and length. I don't know if I have fixed the problem - hope to get back in the water by Friday. But, changing the hose is not a big deal and is not very time consuming. Observations: I had 2 hose clamps at each end of the hose. They had to be removed before removing the scupper from the hull. Space is tight and the fiber glass edges are a bit sharp...you may want to lay some rags across the edge. Reinstall required the same step. Also, the scupper itself has a pressed on top section which requires some care when disassembling to get to the ball float - I used a flat blade screw driver and slowly worked it out. I think that trash in that area could create a leak problem also - not certain that that was not my major problem.

If you find the wiring diagram or hull features diagram I would appreciate you sharing the source. I have emailed WellCraft with a request and got no response. I really like the rig and hope that it will be less troublesome than I have so far experienced!! Good Boating to you. Wally

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

David, I also bought a 1997 19 CCF about 2 months ago (96 Evinrude 150hp Ocean Pro with a 71# 24 V pulpit mounted trolling motor). Motored around for half an hour on the Tennessee River when I got it - no problems. First outing was last week - after 45 minutes we had a lower hull full of water! Bilge did clear it but took 20 minutes. My grand-daughter thought that we would have to swim for it! I pulled the scupper assembly on the port side - removed the rod holder box (8 screws) and could not see how such a large volume of water could come from a minor leak in the hose at the scupper itself...anyway I replaced the hose, which was very stiff and hard with a radiator hose of similar diameter and length. I don't know if I have fixed the problem - hope to get back in the water by Friday. But, changing the hose is not a big deal and is not very time consuming. Observations: I had 2 hose clamps at each end of the hose. They had to be removed before removing the scupper from the hull. Space is tight and the fiber glass edges are a bit sharp...you may want to lay some rags across the edge. Reinstall required the same step. Also, the scupper itself has a pressed on top section which requires some care when disassembling to get to the ball float - I used a flat blade screw driver and slowly worked it out. I think that trash in that area could create a leak problem also - not certain that that was not my major problem.

If you find the wiring diagram or hull features diagram I would appreciate you sharing the source. I have emailed WellCraft with a request and got no response. I really like the rig and hope that it will be less troublesome than I have so far experienced!! Good Boating to you. Wally

I still have the owners manual that came with my 1999 190 ccf I don't think there were any major changes between 97 & 99. I will check when I get home if there are any diagrams in it you might be interested in.

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

Boat Hook,
Got a dumb question for you. This is going to sound really dumb but it has to be asked. At the transom of your boat the hull steps back about a foot, below that step there is a brass drain plug. I can see where a new boat owner might not have noticed this drain plug. Just wondering if the plug might not have been screwed in? Sounds like you had a pretty good volume of water coming in.

 

[boat hook]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

Gator Mike, in my world there are no "dumb questions" but, yes I am aware of the brass hull plug...although it could be easily missed by the unwarry due to its out of sight location. I have never been fond of screw in hull plugs - I always have a small cresent wrench laying in the motor well which invariably leaves an irriatating rust spot on the fiber glass! One additional test that I haven't done yet is to force water (using a hose) up through the bottom intake fitting that feeds the live well and wash down system. Until I returned home following the "sinking experience" I thought that the bottom hull port was a self bailing port of some type. Later traced it in the trouble shooting exercise and found that it is a contained and valve controlled water entry port. I guess it is possible that that hose could be busted some where along the way to the 3 cfm pump. Everything in that area is difficult to see - I have 3 batteries, 3 bank charger, radio speakers, water pump system, bilge pump and switch, oil reservoir etc all crammed into a small area that you must lay on your belly(mine is super-sized) and use a flash light and a mirror to see!! Will let you know if I find the problem. All thought and suggestions are and will be appreciated. Wally

 

[boat hook]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

GM, I forgot to say yes and thanks for any meaningful descriptive data that you may be able to share on the WellCraft 19 CCF. Wiring color and routing of wiring, hoses etc would be very helpful. The few round inspection ports do not provide much of a window to the hull plan! I guess that this is pretty standard for a smaller boat with a solid floor but, it doesn't help us tinkers to add accessories! Thanks

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

Ok I scaned the only 3 pages from the owners manual that I thought might be any help at all. No diagrams but a list of wire color codes. There was one boat layout diagram but nothing on it that would help. Just shows the location of bateries, fuel tank, livewell ect.

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

A couple more pages. That is about all the model specific information in the manual. The rest is mostly generic boating and safety info.

 

[fleetman1]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

Gator Mike,

Thanks you for your service to our country, I am retired Army 1SG. Found this thread on the 190, been having th same problem with water, just got the bilge pumps working (bought boat used at auction, runs great with 150 Suzuki DT150. Having electrical problems the least of which is what switch works what? Would you happen to know the sequence top (horn) to bottom would be?

 

[GatorMike]

Re: 19 CCF - pockets of water?

Mine is a 1998 or 99 model, can't remember which right now.
Anyway the switches from top to bottom are

Horn
Bilge pump
Running lights -- this is a two way switch up for running lights middle is off and down for anchor lights.
Livewell
Accesserys
I have added a 6th switch to mine so I can run my sound system with everything else off.