1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

1946Zephyr

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Well, I decided to do it. I decided to hack away at this beast and this is what I have so far. I pulled the lower unit off and stripped it down to the nuts and bolts. Things looked pretty good, but I think I will replace my bearings. There is some pitting in the bearings, but the gears looked pretty good, and so did the shift fork. The over all condition of the prop shaft and drive shaft was pretty good. Not bad for a 55 year old motor. I bought a new impeller and lower unit seal kit and everything looked good. Vintage Outboard.com sells some pretty good quality parts at a reasonable price. I'll buy some bearings locally and get it back together, sometime this weekend. Below are some pics, of what I'm doing.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Excellent. I did the impeller on my new '54 Johnson 25 this summer and all went well. Did not open up the gears though as it was working well. It's strange with no water pump tube going up eh!
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Yea, the water tube deal is interesting. One advantage to this, it makes replacement of the lower unit a bit easier. I'll just have to make sure there is a good seal on the seam, when I re-install the lower unit. There was a gasket, when I pulled it off, but getting one now may be kinda tough. A good sealer should work okay, though.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Nice pix...thanks for posting. But I gotta ask, what's the setup if there is no line/tube to carry water from the pump up to the powerhead? A casting of some sort?
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Hey tmcalavy. Thanks for the compliment.

To answer your question about the water pick up, the water pick up is integrated at the seam, where the lower unit bolts to the motor leg. From the top view, the lower unit connection is shaped like a tear drop and the water passages run along the perimeter, behind the water pump housing. The tube is mounted inside the motor leg, from the bottom (where the lower unit mounts) and runs along the inside the rear rib of the motor leg and to the powerhead. There is still a copper tube, but it runs along the very back, instead of coming straight down. There really isn't any advantage or disadvantage for it being this way, but I think it may be more expensive to build, so Johnson and Evinrude redesigned the water pump housing to take the tube in 1955. That was a year that major changes were made in the RD/Big Twins. The one thing about the older design, like the '54 and older, there are possibilities of problems with water flow, at the seam, if they are not sealed properly. These models were built with a gasket, to go at the seam, but these were often destroyed, when someone removes the lower unit. If the lower unit ever had to be pryed from the leg, then there was a high risk of destroying this water passage by tweeking it out of shape. If you were lucky enough to pull the lower unit off without hassle, then it was still neccessary to apply sealer to the lower unit, when you re-installed it, so you wouldn't have water blow out there.

So, as you know, in 1955, when the big motors were redesigned, they eliminated a lot of little headaches like this and made things so much simpler. The timer and throttle linkage on these is another major improvement they made on this model too. No more cables.

It's a cool old motor though and I believe it is very restorable. It seems quite responsive. Just from squirting gas in the carb, it fired right off, so I think it'll work out great. I'm strippin 'er down and renewing stuff, so I'll see what it looked like, new.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Yea, the water tube deal is interesting. One advantage to this, it makes replacement of the lower unit a bit easier. I'll just have to make sure there is a good seal on the seam, when I re-install the lower unit. There was a gasket, when I pulled it off, but getting one now may be kinda tough. A good sealer should work okay, though.

Mine didn't have a gasket. Huh. There was supposed to be one there? I used sealer and it was tough to get it in there without making a mess and to get the shifter hooked up. I prefer the later models as I find no problems with lining the water tube up. It did pump water well afterwards though.

I attached some photos of mine from July. and it's pretty obvious why it didn't pump!
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Mine didn't have a gasket. Huh. There was supposed to be one there? I used sealer and it was tough to get it in there without making a mess and to get the shifter hooked up.

Yours may have been removed sometime in the past. It's common, but yea, mine actually had a gasket. I'll just put it back together with sealer though

I prefer the later models as I find no problems with lining the water tube up. It did pump water well afterwards though.

Yea, I believe that the water tube was added to the pump housing, to remove headaches. Adding a good coat of oil, to the tube and driveshaft makes it even easier.

I attached some photos of mine from July. and it's pretty obvious why it didn't pump!

Oh yea, mine looked that good too. I never had mine running long enough to see if it pumped water, but mine did have at least one broken fin. Fortunately, this pump is the same, all the way up to '72 vintage, but there may be issues finding the housing. Did you replace your housing too? Mine has some pitting, but I believe that it will work out good. Push, comes to shove, I may be able to manufacture a stainless liner for the pump to run on. There also may be a way to convert it over to the straight water tube design like the later ones, if I modify the tube. Something I'll research, when I tear the leg down and recondition it.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Somebody must have figured it needed a gasket and made one. There is no gasket shown in the parts book.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Very strange....I'll have to find it and post a pic of it.:D
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Somebody must have figured it needed a gasket and made one. There is no gasket shown in the parts book.

I was about to say the same thing as I just checked the parts diagram. So it must be custom. And that might cause a problem as it will extend the housing length. If you look at the parts diagram (I have the Evinrude one) there's small shims above the pinion gear. I wonder how the gasket will affect that spacing.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

Oh, this gasket would not have affected the shim on the pinion gear. The shim on the pinion gear is what affects the contact depth to match up with the forward and reverse gears. The gasket I was referring to, goes up where the lower unit bolts to the motor leg, so it's way above the pinion gear shim.
The gasket thickness looked like it was about like what a match book thickness is.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

It might affect it but I tend to think not. As the overall length of the exhaust housing will now be longer and the drive shaft can now slop up and down. The shim is there to control where the pinion gear is on the end of that shaft, so you never know but are likely fine. It's just something to note as if they wanted one in there originally they would have included it one would think.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

The shims are to adjust the gear mesh to account for variations in the bearing assembled height. Not to worry, the gasket would have no effect on it because the gear mesh would not change even if the lower unit was completely removed from the motor.

Yes a gaslket would let the drive shaft sit lower, equal to the gasket thickness, but I can't see it making any significant difference. It would also affect the shift rod length.
 

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Re: 1953 Johnson 25hp Restoration: Lower Unit

I'm not sure why you would want a gasket there anyway. I wouldn't waste the sealer/gasket paper it would take to do it.

PM me your email and I'll send you the parts manual to this motor.
 
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