1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

[duckland23]

Hi I own a 1957 fleetwin 7.5 hp and I have posted before and am wondering the proper way to set the points in tim with the cam follower . My service and said to set them to so . The first thing I seen is a post from a man that said to use the 020 gap as a reffrence point and then use a mulimeter for the rest . What Im confused about is the setting . On my flywheel I dont see a larger mark like in the picture , It said to set it to the larger one for cyclinder one and smaller one for cyclinder two . But the marks look the same size to me . should it me notch be cut larger cyclinder one and small for cyclinder two . Am I missing something I dont know but at this point Im lost and need help setting them right . Im sure the engine is out of tim and needs to be set . Its hard to start and from exprience Im sure it out of time . Any engine that you have to pull the cord more than three times to start is out of time . The spark is hot so Im sure that I need to set the points the right way so she will pop off on one or second pull . It should be easy to start . Also one of the men told me to use a timming jig for evinrude to set like the trained men at evinrude would do . So what Im seeing and am confused about is the way u use a multimeter to set them . and also the high point of the cam . That where the keyway is right . so cyclinder one set to the highest point of the cam , not the works top ,like on my cam . The same applys for cyclinder two . If the center of the cam marks are in the center of the two lines on the magento plate there's two of them and the larger one for cyclinder one . Line it up in the center of the two marks and it in time right . But my engine is way off ,si this right . Im not for sure . Please help me to set them the right way . It should fire On the first pull or second one if in time the right way .

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

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[duckland23]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

thats not what I

 

[HighTrim]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

I think you are a little confused about things. As Joe stated, dont overanalyze this. Just because a motor wont start on the first pull does NOT mean it is out of time. You are reading about different methods of setting the points and are trying to jumble them all into one, which doesnt work.

If you have a timing fixture, you can set them in conjunction with an analog meter or test light, but I would just stick to the feeler gauges in the method Joe outlined. Dont worry about big line/little line....top cylinder/bottom cylinder......

 

[duckland23]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

Well guys the points were off a bit . I set them to 020 thousand of a inch . When I first tried to set the points and they were tight . My dad looked with me and said they were to tight . I did the 020 and then the 022 feller gage . But the first time the person before me that owned thre motor set them wrong and his carb was messed up too . I rebuilt the carb again after I place the lead ball in the low air passage that the print showed to go there . Now I know better . Theres 5 lead balls in that carb and none go in the low idle passage under the welch plug . Well Im not going to start it today maybe tommorow afternoon . But Im going to use the carb setting joe reeves said to use in this post . Im also going to test the compression But I think its ok .

Buy the way what is noromal compression reading for this engine . I see that some people said 100 is if its new and no lower than 60 in bought cyclinders . But the engine was running and sem to have alot of power . If the engine was in a state of bad compression it would not have as much power as it has .

well Im still wondering if Its in time and when its running in the barrel full of water . The two marks on the flywheel anf the timming marks would line up with a timming light . I know how to use a timming light cyclinder one first them cyclinder two . If the points are right should see the marks in the center of the two lines on the magneto place . Am i right or am i wrong . The fixture jig sounds like a on the mony setting , but for what Im doing I dont need anything like that . But if i took it to evinrude thats the way they would set them .

 

[duckland23]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

Well guys after starting it in the tank and it hard starting . I rebuilt the carb and adjusted the points Im unsure why it hard starting it almost seems like it out of time still Im also unsure if the fuel is getting delivered right to . so at this point i want to smash it ot piesce's and not worry about it no more .so what else can I do . How do I tell if my carb is the problem . I know im a pain in the *** to some of the members but Im lost and need help . I tested the spark . Im guessing that my points are not in time with the flywheel . How can I tell if it right that way . I know im getting fuel the bowl is full so it entering the carb . I did get it started but it idleing rough in gear and when I tried to take her down to slow speed she died out and i was back to square one with it hard starting . It should not bee this hard to start at all . It should start and idle rough at first and then it should smoth out as you turn to find the right idle speed , but it will died when I bring her down to slow speed . I did try to shut her off with the idle screws and she still ran with them closed .

 

[bbstacker1]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

Duck, If you can turn your idle screws (I am assuming you are talking about low speed needle) all the way in and it keeps running you need to be back in the carb, it is not clean.

 

[duckland23]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

your saying its not clean I cleaned it two times and I get the same problem . Im not going to rip the carburator apart again It looks a clean as a bell .What could i have in the carb that would cause it to run like this .

 

[AlTn]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

duck you're correct that the timing mark on the flywheel should be centered between the 2 marks on the armature plate at the given idle speed with the engine warm and in gear. You're also correct in thinking that the points gap is the only way to adjust the timing on your motor. That .020" gap should put you right there.

If your timing light is an inductive one < has a clamp that clamps onto the plug wire > when you try it on the top then bottom plug wire, do you notice any change in the flash frequency or brightness of the flash? At this point, just study the flash and not where the timing marks are.

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

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[bbstacker1]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

Duck, I stand corrected, I should not have said it isn't clean, but you still need to be back in the carb there is something wrong. I would take Joe's advise and start there.

 

[duckland23]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

Bad compression test , I got 30 psi from each cylinders i did'nt bother with the wet test . my compression was to low . thats why she wont run right . shes using too much gas to run right anyway . Im going to rebuild the powerhead and go from there . The cylinders look good but i wont know untill I measure the cylinder walls to see what size rings i need in it . I think by the looks of it I can get away with standard rings, maybe nock on wood .

Im going to need a place to find the rings if I can new . I found the gasket kit for 40.00 bucks but Im going to need to also measure the crank to see if it needs new bearing in it .

 

[AlTn]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

marineengine.com has the .020 oversized rings...have you considered just replacing the head gasket and surfacing the head then seeing where things are?

 

[duckland23]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

well thats not a bad Idea , but Im going to make sure Before I start with a head gasket and all the other things .Over sized rings I need over sized pistons too right and the bore resized too right . Let me place a picture up for you guys to see check my poste to see .

 

[boobie]

Re: 1957 evinrude fleetwin Setting point the right way .

Duck, I suggest you stick to ONE post !!