1963 johnson 40 hp electric

drkilldrmz

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Just a quick question. Do these coils look original, or aftermarket?
 

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They are not original.------They are very good replacement coils.----Every one of those magnetos from 1950 to 1976 has had the coils replaced.
 

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yes good coils

do check if you can measure ohms resistance from boot plug to engine frame ground for 4-8 kohms approx .

I see rust spots all over and connections between the high voltage coil pin and the plug boot may be corroded.

nothing complicated to fix up ..
condensers (old ones) eventually give out they can be tested with a ohmeter but the real good test is with a high voltage tester using 250VDC + to detect internal leakage.
 

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Great! I managed to get the flywheel off to look for cracked coils, but they seemed very nice. I lightly sanded the points, and saw spark just by rotating by hand. The wires in the harness had been submerged, and were falling apart, so I reran those. Only looking for the carb needle now, and I'll bet she runs. 120lbs even on both. Thanks!
 

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old style but same style... you likely have a simple jet at the bottom instead of a HS needle .... clean all orifices blow dry

if idle is poor may need to clean up the upper LS chamber by pulling the top dime size plug. drill a small hole and pop it out

clean the side channel leading up the top LS needle !!!
 

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Tuck those coil ground wires back so they don't rub on the flywheel hub.
Polish the crankshaft taper and flywheel taper shiny bright.
Install flywheel with tapers dry.
Use a torque wrench to tighten the nut to 100-105 ft/lbs
 

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Remove key and lap the tapers with some valve grinding compound.
 

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condensers (old ones) eventually give out they can be tested with a ohmeter but the real good test is with a high voltage tester using 250VDC + to detect internal leakage.
I take issue with "testing caps with an ohmeter." The fact is, trying to test caps with an ohmeter tells you NOTHING, unless they are so bad that the leakage or short actually shows up on the ohmeter.

What you are trying to determine is, "are they actually good?" There is one pretty much reliable test, and that is a high voltage leakage test as you mentioned. IF YOU CANNOT DO THAT TEST here is what you are risking:
1.....Even though you might have spark, the spark performance might be greatly reduced because of capacitor condition. This is going to show up mostly as either high speed miss, or a mysterious "doesn't quite seem like it's full power, or is it?"
2...Intermittend spark. Boy this can be the worst of all. the engine may not be reliable, may quit at "inoppertune" (LOL) moments, miss at times but not others, and so on
3...Of course no spark, even though you "tested" the cap with your meter, and concluded (wrongly) that it is "OK."

I did not mention capacitance, and there are lots of modern solid state meters and testers that will show capacitance. But that reading is meaningless if the thing leaks

If you can not test caps with a good tester and high voltage leakage test, do yourself a great big favor and replace them (which also can have some risk) or replace them with "orange drop" electronics caps.

COILS: If you remove the coils, or even if you don't be sure you have adequate clearance that the flywheel is not going to rub them. There is a "ring" install tool to clearance them, but I don't use one.
 
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A MERC-O-TRONIC magneto analyzer will test the condensers.----Test them warmed up for true results.
 

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I take issue with "testing caps with an ohmeter." The fact is, trying to test caps with an ohmeter tells you NOTHING, unless they are so bad that the leakage or short actually shows up on the ohmeter.

What you are trying to determine is, "are they actually good?" There is one pretty much reliable test, and that is a high voltage leakage test as you mentioned. IF YOU CANNOT DO THAT TEST here is what you are risking:
1.....Even though you might have spark, the spark performance might be greatly reduced because of capacitor condition. This is going to show up mostly as either high speed miss, or a mysterious "doesn't quite seem like it's full power, or is it?"
2...Intermittend spark. Boy this can be the worst of all. the engine may not be reliable, may quit at "inoppertune" (LOL) moments, miss at times but not others, and so on
3...Of course no spark, even though you "tested" the cap with your meter, and concluded (wrongly) that it is "OK."

I did not mention capacitance, and there are lots of modern solid state meters and testers that will show capacitance. But that reading is meaningless if the thing leaks

If you can not test caps with a good tester and high voltage leakage test, do yourself a great big favor and replace them (which also can have some risk) or replace them with "orange drop" electronics caps.

COILS: If you remove the coils, or even if you don't be sure you have adequate clearance that the flywheel is not going to rub them. There is a "ring" install tool to clearance them, but I don't use one.
I believe I was explicit on the need to test with high voltages to test for internal leakge. Ohmmeter testing and cap. tester will only be a valuable test if the capacitor is bad.... it will not tell if the capacitor is good !.

here are a few articles from the AOMCI Outboarded magazine published by M.Mohat and available on the Western region AOMCI site


https://wrcoutboards.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Part4_Repairing_Broken_Condensers.pdf

the basic test box is quite adequate. I have built one and if a cap. does not pass the test it is scrapped. I have rebuilt a few and plan on using these in the near future even if not 850v rated

 

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Thanks all. Got it running, but it's missing a bit. Looking for a low speed needle, and a carb kit. Needle are 70 bucks online!!
 

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Looks like somebody has hacksawed a screwdriver slot in the end of the needle to adjust it. I think I could continue to adjust it that way for less than 70 bucks.
 

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That was me, but it doesn't want to seat. when the outer nut turns, it turns with it. Not much material left to notch.
 

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Gee, those coils were made in West Germany. So they are pre 1991! That point base also looks real rusty.
 

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Those coils should be fine.-----The clip on the spring for points is not correct.
 

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That was me, but it doesn't want to seat. when the outer nut turns, it turns with it. Not much material left to notch.

Normally the nut should remain in place, as the Needle is turned. Is the Needle bent? Is there adequate packing behind the nut, and is the nut tightened enough to keep the needle from changing set point?
 
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