1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

Paul Moir

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Re: 1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

I don't think you're doing something wrong - you gave it 4 or 5 good pulls right? If so, this tune-up is going to move to a more advanced project.<br /><br />There's a few possible reasons for low compression. One is worn or scratched cylinder walls & rings. Generally speaking on small engine's that's fatal. The second possibility is that the head gasket is blown. On a 3hp that's very unlikely, and it often results in uneven or no compression anyway. A third possibility is that the pison's rings are stuck in their grooves. This is a fairly common problem on these especially if they're over-oiled and never decarbed (maintanance process that removes deposited carbon from the combustion chamber).<br /><br />With luck we're looking at #3 but freeing those rings is going to be a real challenge. You can try turning the flywheel until the pistons are about half-way up the cylinders (to close off the exhaust and intake ports), then set the engine carb down and put a few teaspoons of decarb solution (like seafoam) in each cylinder. Then wait a few days and check your compression again.<br /><br />If you're going to proceed with a tear-down, read through the entire powerhead section before proceeding so you know what you'll be doing. Also, check back here to see if anyone else has a better idea. :)
 

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Re: 1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

did you check the points?<br />That compression is very low but It may run<br />if your coils are ok check the points turn the crank <br />until the point isopenand check with a feeler gauge<br />set the points at .20<br />are you geting any spark at all usally there is spark on on cyl and not the other .<br />and when you do a compression test put speed control on full.<br />let us know how your doing good luck. :D
 

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Re: 1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

The low compression readings could simply be no left over oil because it has not run in a long time. A little bit of fogger oil, and then another compression test? Big change ,great.-------And lets start regular sprays of loosen the bolts juice, everywhere there are bolts. Even fresh water corrodes threads.
 

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Re: 1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

A cheap and quick spark tester is 2 new plugs. Remove the old ones. Plug the new ones into the ends of the spark wires. Tape the metal plug bodies to the metal of the engine. Turn the plug gaps so you can see them when you yank the starter cord fast. Do the test after the sun is down and a little dark. VERY thin white arc in the spark plug is what we want. White or white and blue is perfect.
 

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Re: 1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

Yes, that is a cheap and quick method but it usually doesn't show a problem on the most common way these ignitions fail, which is arc-over resulting in lost spark under compression. If you're testing this old magneto, it's important to test with a 1/4" or larger gap.
 

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I bought a old 5 hp seahorse, 40 years old. 2 new plugs, fresh Mobil gas. Pulled and left the choke on and kept pulling till I saw gas dripping out of the engine. Did it each day for 3 days. Flipped choke off. Checked for spark with new plugs. OK. 10 to 20 pulls it started. I STOPPED IT IMMEDIATELY!! Put it on a boat in water. Played with it. OK. I hope you can get that lucky somehow.
 

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I would have asked him to check the stop wire. broken and touching a ground? Mickey moused to a ground? Then get carried away. Magneto points very rarely failed. No current and well protected.
 

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Re: 1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

Run a point file or very light wet-n-dry sandpaper through the points two or three times, then recheck for spark. Points that have set around along time will often get a film on them and not make/break the contact cleanly!!
 

Paul Moir

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Re: 1964 3 HP Evinrude (model #3402) Can't get a spark. Please help a newbie.

I think and hope PV's correct and all we need here is a good point cleaning and adjustment (to .020" I'm sure what66 ment). I'm still concerned with the 50psi compression. I know full well that adding oil will help make the guage read better, but that is meaningless. Even a teaspoon of TC-W3 can raise it 20 psi or more.<br />Also, there are no stop wires as there is no stop switch on this outboard.<br /><br />Still, it's worth a try. If we can get this outboard running without putting any money into it that would be great. I just want to make sure we're not throwing good money after bad.
 
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