1964 johnson electric shift voltage

gvrinten

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Hello<br />My 1964 40 horse johnson will disengage when running full rpm. At lower to mid throttle the cluch stays engaged. I have been told that the voltage output of my charging system is marginal and the drop in voltage at high rpm causes the clutch solenoid to disengage. Does this sound reasonable?<br />What is the recommended voltage output necessary to maintain engagement? What are the factory specs on this motor for voltage output?<br /><br />Thanks Gary
 

dustinatdana

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Re: 1964 johnson electric shift voltage

i have all most the same problem with mine it will not all way in gage till i shut motor off a few times my motor is a 1963 40 hp so i would like to hear about this solenoid
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1964 johnson electric shift voltage

Gary & Dustin... The following should be of interest to you.<br /><br />(Electramatic Shift)<br /> <br />NOTE: This type lower unit must be filled with OMC "Premium Blend" lube, also known as "Type C". You cannot use "HiVis" lube that the mechanical shift units require.<br /> <br />The main shifting components of the straight Electramatic (Johnson) or Selectric (Evinrude) shift lower unit consists of Electromagnetic Coils, Hubs, and Tension Springs (no solenoids). Note that the forward and reverse hubs and coils are of different designs and will not interchange. Voltage (12 volts) is applied to one of the coils via a cable extending from the powerhead to the lower unit. The energized coil draws the spring, which is attached to one of the gears towards it, causing the spring to tighten around and grabbing one of the hubs which is splinded to the prop shaft, causing the propeller to turn.<br /> <br />Obviously a perfect 12v battery is required to provide the needed voltage, and a operating charging system is required to keep the battery in that condition. However, even if a generator does not exist, the lower unit would shift properly as long as the battery voltage is normal (full 12v) and the shift components are not damaged.<br /> <br />Voltage Check: Check the voltage being applied to the lower unit (engine not running). At the powerhead area, find the cable that leads to the lower unit and slide the insulating sleeves back at the knife connectors. DO NOT disconnect the knife connectors. Connect a volt meter red lead between one of the exposed wire knife connections and the meter black lead to a ground. Turn on the key and move the shift lever/button to whichever wire you're checking. If the voltage is considerably less than 12 volts, the unit will not shift properly and the usual cause of the voltage drop is a faulty shift toggle switch (Johnson) or shift button assy (Evinrude).<br /> <br />Ohm Resistance Check: To check the electomagnetic coils, at the powerhead area, disconnect the knife connectors of the shift wires. Connect the red lead of the ohm meter to one of the wires leading to the lower unit with the black lead going to ground. Do the same with the other shift wire.<br /> <br />The ohm reading of the coils should be identical. The exact ohm reading escapes me at the moment but I believe it should be eight (8) ohms. (Someone jump in here with that information please).<br /> <br />If all the above is as it should be, the usual cause of having the lower unit jump out of gear at the higher rpms is that the hub and/or spring is scored. The cure would be to replace both the hub and spring. My experience has been that simply replacing either the hub or spring is a waste of time and results in a repeat of the problem in a very (VERY) short time span.<br /><br />The hub and spring are expensive items unfortunately. I believe that I do have one each left in my remaining stock and would discount them should you find that this is your problem. ReevesJ32@aol.com
 

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Re: 1964 johnson electric shift voltage

hello Joe,<br /><br />sounds like you know your stuff with the elecromatic. i posted somewhere on here about trying to get parts for a 1965(?) 40hp johnson superseahorse electromatic...do you carry parts for these old engines? i thought they used solenoids...how expensive are those springs you mention above? owner says motor worked 3 yrs ago but had 'shifting problems'. it comes with a classic boat im thinking about. <br />questune...if i took the engine to a johnson dealer/repair could they tell me what was wrong/parts id need to fix it? ive nver delt with an outboard this old before.<br /><br />thanks,
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1964 johnson electric shift voltage

Sundog.... A Hydro Electric Shift incorporates solenoids, A electramatic shift incorporates electromatic coils.<br /><br />I'm retired and am simply selling off my remaining stock.... so I have some parts but not all for those engines.<br /><br />The only way a dealerships mechanic could tell you exactly what was wrong with a lower unit would be to tear it down, clean all the componets for inspesction, and make an accurate estimate.<br /><br />If you're serious about parts and know what you need, contact me via my e-mail address as per the above post.
 

gvrinten

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Re: 1964 johnson electric shift voltage

Okay <br />i will check the controls as the hub and spring are supposedly new.<br />I still would like to know what the recommended output of the altenator/generator should be since the repair guy tells me it is below spec (although it is 13.3v) and that is what is causing the failure.
 

gvrinten

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Re: 1964 johnson electric shift voltage

I did some checking today. <br />Took the altenator into 2 diffenent shops and they both indicated that the altenator was working to spec. One guy said they could clean it and install new brushes but that it would not make a difference it is working fine at about 4 amps and 13+ volts<br /><br />Checked the voltage to the coils and the reading before the swith is about 12.2v at the engine before it enters the leg it is at 11.98 volts. I assume this drop is due to resistance in the wiring. <br /><br />Is 11.9 or so volts adequate or could the voltage drop further as the engine is running? I think my technician is trying to get awaay from installing a new hub/spring assembly as the leg was rebuilt and is still under warranty. Would it be of benifit to use a heaver gague wire up to the box from the switch or am I wasting my time?<br />Any thoughts? :confused:
 

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Gary..... From what you've said in your last post, I would say that the voltage is about as perfect as one could get, which would lead me into the spring and hub scenario. I received your e-mail and will get back to you on that soon.
 

gvrinten

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Re: 1964 johnson electric shift voltage

I went through the wiring from end to end and cleand up all the connections and replaced all the questionable wires. <br /><br />Then I fully charged the system and all seems to be in order now. Spent the day tubing and boating. Approximately 3 hours of running time with no apparent errors.<br /><br />All seems well thus far.<br /><br />Gary
 
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