1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

HARKINCAN

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My vintage Johnson 3 hp wont speed up after starting. Its old (1966) but has only about 300 hours and in mint condition. Ser #C496126 model JW21E. I had a repair shop look at it and they said the coils were cracked. I have since obtained two new coils and installed them and it still wont rev up. However if I shut the gas line off just before the gas is used up in the carburator it speeds up like it should then it runs out of gas and stalls. The repair shop cleaned the Carb before discouvering the cracked coils so the carb is not clogged. It ran well in the past although not used very much except for the last couple of years.
 

Paul Moir

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Welcome to Iboats, DRJ!<br />It sounds like you have the high speed mixture set too rich (bottom mix control). What happens when you lean it (turn it clockwise)?<br />Those are good engines.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

The hi speed jet is fixed and no adjustment is available. This engine only has the one adjustment on the top (low speed) It seems to be getting too much gas just like the choke is stuck but its not.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Originally posted by Paul Moir:<br /> Welcome to Iboats, DRJ!<br />It sounds like you have the high speed mixture set too rich (bottom mix control). What happens when you lean it (turn it clockwise)?<br />Those are good engines.
 

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Oh, I wasn't aware that they used fixed high speed jets on those. FYI, later 4hp used adjustable jets as well as earlier 3hp engines. <br />Ok, well have a look at the repair bill for the carb. If there's no mention of them using a carb kit, there's a gasket around the main nozzle that must be in good shape or the engine will run far too rich. If they didn't use a fresh one, you can just about guarantee it's leaking. Have a look at this picture. It's called the 'Boss Gasket'.<br />Get your carb kit from the dealer. It'll come with a new plastic float to replace the troublesome cork one. The aftermarket kits don't come with one, and they're only a couple dollars cheaper.<br /> Complete tuneup article
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Thanks for the reply Paul. I am having a little difficulty with this forum so bear with me, not sure how to reply to your reply. Anyway .... The hi speed jet is fixed and no adjustment is available. This engine only has the one adjustment on the top (low speed) It seems to be getting too much gas just like the choke is stuck but its not. Yes this is a really nice motor and in perfect condition. Doug.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

The forum doesn't work like that, you just post replys rather than replys to specific replys (you followed that?? :D ). If you want to fix up a post you already made, click the 'Edit Post' icon above your post.
 

HARKINCAN

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Thanks for the carb diagram I have that diagram from the liberary and it also shows my model without the hi speed needle valve. Mine has only a washers and plug in place of the needle valve on your diagram. I checked the gaskets both the float chamber and boss gasket which appear to be good from the repair shop that did the work not sure if new but appear to be in good shape. However I wasnt aware that the boss gasket was so important. Perhaps when I re assembled it I put it on not too straight. I willhave another look to morrow. Also my float looks in perfect condition however its cork. I tried bending it acording to the liberary manuel I have but it made no difference. Still no revs. I am sure the problem is something miner but havent figured it out yet, thus the question on the forum. Thanks for your help I will study the tune up article, any more suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Doug.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Focus in on things that would cause the engine to run rich. If that gasket isn't in really good shape, order up a carb kit. The cork floats are known to loose their sealant and sink in today's gasoline. That could also cause the engine to run rich.<br /><br />By the way, although the original spec for your engine calls for a 50:1 ratio, those 3 and 4hp really run much better on a heavier mix. Go to 40:1 or heavier. See the Oil mix FAQ for details.
 
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DRJ,<br /><br />I have the same engine. Mine has too many hours on it. I'll bet it has over 1000 hours. It's been dunked a few times, to boot. However, it still purrs.<br /><br />The carbs on these need to be thoroughly cleaned and rebuilt using an OMC carb kit-only.<br /><br />The cork float has to go along with the old coils, which you have already done.<br /><br />You are correct, there is only one needle. Set it a bit rich for low speed and the "transition" will be smoother.<br /><br />Make sure the timing plate (under flywheel) moves evenly with the throttle lever.<br /><br />Two other things.<br /><br />1. Replace the water pump impeller.<br /><br />2. Clean out the exhaust relief holes. These are the holes, halfway up the leg, that spray water/exhaust when the engine is running.<br /><br />Again, replace the CORK float. You are kidding yourself if you do not.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Thanks for all the suggestions, perhaps a carb kit will make an improvement I will see if I can get one without the coils as they are already new. The tune up article is very helpful, I have lots of food for thought.
 
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Like I said. If you are considering trying to reuse that cork float. "You are kidding yourself".
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Carb kit is PN 439071<br />It includes a new:<br />Bowl gasket<br />Float<br />Needle and Seat<br />Boss gasket<br />Needle valve packing<br />Carb-manifold gasket<br />It should be under $30 Canadian.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

DRJ,<br />I'm going with both DJ and Paul on this one. Replace the float. The old cork float is going to be a problem at some time, so change it now and save your sanity.<br /><br />As for the Boss gasket. It vital for the proper mixture setting to work properly. When you replace the boss gasket, you'll find that the upper and lower carb body won't come together completely. Both carb halves are being held apart slightly by the new gasket. Replacing the carb body screws will pull both halves together, compressing the boss gasket, and effecting a good seal. When the boss gasket leaks, engine intake vacume pulls fuel directly from the lower carb bowl and not thru the main metering jet causing an over rich mixture.<br />---------------------------------------------<br />Carb Adjustment per Joe Reeves (Thanks Joe..again) :p :p <br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)<br /><br />Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns. (All carbs at the<br />same time)<br /><br />(On the following adjustment, finish one carb before going on to the next one, then<br />double check the adjustments).<br /><br />Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8<br />turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to<br />respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to<br />where the engine will just stay running.<br /><br />Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back<br />(sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4<br />turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.<br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move<br />them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you<br />would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

I am having the same problem with mine, I have a 1968 3hp Evinrude. I have rebuilt the carb completely with an OMC kit, new points & condensors, water pump, fuel pump. And mine won't accelerate either. It will start on the first pull and run all day but won't throttle up!! I have looked at the coils and they seem to be ok, I have strong spark on both plugs. Allthough I think there is some kind of intermitent spark problem so I am going to replace both the coils and see where that gets me. I would get a tune up kit off of ebay they are only $10.00. It will be a good idea the put new points on it. Check them at least, the gap and if they are squeaking clean.
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Lots of good suggestions, thanks fellows I think you have probably solved my problem. That Boss gasket on mine isnt like you described (its just a thin ordinary washer type thing) so I think the guy who worked on the motor last didnt use the right one (he fixes lawnmowers). I will be getting a carb kit as suggested, Paul gave me a good supplier for that. I have one other question, I notice on the carb diagram they use "packing" in the hole where the Low speed needle is inserted. When I took mine apart it seemed crunched up so I replaced it with a "O" ring would this have any adverse effect on the over all operation of the motor. It seemes to work good. And I will replace that cork float.<br />Doug
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

Hi<br />I have recently had the same problem with the same motor, I took the advise on this forum and changed the coils and reconed the carb using a new carb kit, I also had a bit of advise from my dealer his tip was to strip down the carb fully and then soak the body in celulose thinners over night, give the carb a good blow out before reassembly. I did this and my outboard now runs like a dream.<br />Best of luck<br />Richard
 

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

The problem with using rubber O-rings instead of the proper packing, no matter how much you tighten the valve nut the O-ring doesn't really "grip" the thread like packing does, allowing the needles to lose their settings as they vibrate.<br />Suitable packing replacements were discussed here a couple of days ago, I've use heavy "Fireline" fishing line wrapped round a couple of times, someone suggested greased twine, and I think PTFE tape was mentioned too.
 
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DJ

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DRJ,<br /><br />The "packing" waskers come with the carb kit.
 

HARKINCAN

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Re: 1966 JOHNSON 3 HP WON'T REV UP

I just got back from town and was able to obtain the proper carb kit, also a new impeller. Yesterday I thought I'd experiment and replaced the boss gasket with one I made only thicker. It worked just like you all said and the engine ran like it should. That was my trouble so now I will install the kit with the new boss gasket, float and all the other goodies. No doubt the thing should run even better. I am forever grateful to all who responded to my problem thanks again. Doug
 
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