1966 Starcraft 16' closed bow

ezmobee

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Definitely a Jupiter. It's exactly the same as mine and I have the factory plate that says Jupiter.
 

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Thank you! I showed my wife your restoration pictures and she said that is the way she would like to see our come out. :) That's a good thing.

I have an extra 9.5 if I want to put on a kicker too. One step at a time....

Step one ......... wait for snow to melt!
 

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ezmobee's probably right. I don't have the 67 brochure so I would have been guessing based upon the 66 literature and they did funny things from year to year.

Now you just gotta get one o them Jetson stern lights if it's a jupiter :D
 

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Can I get a copy of the brochure? I have a boat that 1975, but looks identicle to that one.
 

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Here ya go! This is from the 65 Brochure. Just remember that Starcraft changed things over the years that affect the weight of the boat and the max HP ratings for whatever reason. On my boat the 66 weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the 65. And the stern width from stern to bow is thicker? Also each model came in one color scheme for that year only and it varied from year to year.
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I can email this to you if need be.
 
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The hulss's a blank canvas. Plenty of possibilities.
 

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Well mother nature made some changes last night and added some of that darn white foam to the hull!!!! :D It's a blank white canvas now DJ ;)

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Gotta love that!!
 

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Well mother nature made some changes last night and added some of that darn white foam to the hull!!!! :D It's a blank white canvas now DJ ;)
Be careful using that stuff for floatation, it saturates easily. Definitely don't eat it if it turns yellow!
We've been slammed with rain the past couple of weeks. We finally hit saturation on Sunday morning and I had to turn the pumps on for the the first time this year. I usually turn them on in December so we are way behind. I want to work on the boat but I also want to fish this season so let it rain and snow!!!
 

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Well it is 10 degrees outside. and we got a few more inches last night ......ho hum :rolleyes: Just have to be patient.
 

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Well it is 10 degrees outside. and we got a few more inches last night ......ho hum :rolleyes: Just have to be patient.


Yep here to Bob , it was 3 out there last night and 26 when i hit the garage to turn the heat on ... took about a hours this morning to get it to he mid 70's !!! lol

Hay i guess you answered uncovered it that poll !!!! hahaha sorry !!lol John
 

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I have actually been talking with another iboater and it is kind of unknown..... have NOT be able to locate a data plate (yet).

The dimensions are 16' long, 65-66" across (beam) and a 20" transom. Not sure if it's a Jupiter.... could be a dolphin model.... I am sure I will figure it out.

Bob,
I uncovered my '63, it's been a while since I did anything with it, it got put on the back burner when I found my last two.
I measured mine, the length is 16' 7" tip to transom, and the beam width measures 69". I went round and round trying to ID this when I first got it, my first mistake was to email and ask Starcraft, their response was that I had a Jet or Jet Star, which are way smaller boats. My choices were either a Stardust, Starmist, or Jupiter. My HIN plaque is on the right gunwale, about 18" behind the dash on the inner face. It's riveted on with domed rivets and looks factory. I do have a title but it came from PA, which is a no title state, so the year could be off, I can't say for sure. I've had NJ decipher the HIN differently than PA for some reason on other boats when the ran the number and came up with a NJ title.
The problem I had was that I couldn't match any one model's specs, mine is deeper than the Starmist or Stardust, and longer and narrower than a Jupiter. Starcraft started to make some more noticeable changes after 1965 too, so that brochure might not have much in common with your boat.
Something that I do notice on yours which I've not seen on any other is the flat bottom at the stern, all of the brochures that I've seen list the Jupiter as being a concave V hull, I have two with that hull and yours and my '63 are not the same.

Starmist and Stardust models measure under 16', and have a 75hp max rating. My HIN plate reads 85hp max.
My conclusion was that Starcraft must have made variations of several models or that mine was far older than thought. It don't match any brochures I've seen from 1962 to present. I have copies of the 62,63,67,73,74,and 77 Brochures, My HIN begins with a 3, and I was told that Starcraft, that the first number is the year. So that leaves 53, 63, and 73, I can eliminate 63 and 73 since I have those brochures and I don't think that they were building this hull back in '53?
Mine has cable and pulley steering, it had a wood dash, (painted to math the interior aluminum, sort of a gray white color. My top surfaces are very light aqua blue, I have a forward facing bow vent, air horn, and a huge extra wide bow light. I have only two step plates on the gunwales, both are pretty far back, nearer to the splashwell.
The biggest thing that got me was that mine had an odd measurement which I could find on no other model. The depth matched the Jupiter, but the beam width matched the Stardust/Starmist models, but not the transom width or splashwell size. Mine also shows no sign of ever having rear compartment doors or full side panels like on yours. Mine had only small padded panels which formed two trays on each side. The rest was left wide open. The under side of my bow is supported with wood, it's framed and the wood supports the aluminum. Mine also has a front fuel tank, it's a steel tank mounted up front with a center fill. This explains the bow vent, which I don't see on most Jupiter models in the brochure pics. I have seen several newer models, the HIN plate has been mostly on the transom, and fairly large in size compared to mine, my plate is only about 2x3" and on the gunwale. My 1968 18' Starchief has it's plate under the splashwell on the transom.
My 1974 has it on the drivers steering console, (16' SS model).
I parted out a 1966 Jupiter which had it on the transom, on the upper port side of the transom.

I came to the conclusion that anyone at Starcraft now, has no clue as to what models were built back then, when I got the answer that mine was a Jet or Jetstar, or Dart, which were all much smaller boats, I figured they were just guessing.

My boat came from the Pittsburgh, PA area originally, it was bought out there and brought here by someone who only wanted it for parts, it changed hands three times, each time being stripped of some other item before I got it. When I first saw it for sale in Pittsburgh, it had a full modern interior, new windshield, tank, seats, and a blown 70hp motor. I next saw it listed minus the motor and new tank, but with an original tank installed, a year later is surfaced nearby minus the trailer and seats, this time for less than $30. When I got it, it still had the new steering, a very clean older 12 gallon steel tank, new carpet on soft floors, and the new plexi windshield.
I've been gathering parts for it bit by bit, now I just need the time to get too it. It's getting a new transom, deck, aluminum framed windshield, and a 55hp motor. The one feature I don't like about that boat is how big the splashwell is, it takes up 20% of the length of the boat, yours don't look as big.
 

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Reelfishin - you might have a MonArk they will both bear a Starcraft HIN but are slightly different. From what I can piece together the MonArk's were originally made for sale in Canada. I think that after Starcraft sold to Brunswick they all became the same. My MonArk Legend 1800 FS doesn't match up with anything that Brunswick made and called Starcraft in 1991. If it wasn't written on the side I would have never been able to figure out what model mine was. It's a twisted maze of corporate deception ...LOL...
As a sidenote - Starcraft is now back in the hands of the original family and the new boat designs are pretty darn good for a production boat.
 

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Reelfishin - you might have a MonArk they will both bear a Starcraft HIN but are slightly different. From what I can piece together the MonArk's were originally made for sale in Canada. I think that after Starcraft sold to Brunswick they all became the same. My MonArk Legend 1800 FS doesn't match up with anything that Brunswick made and called Starcraft in 1991. If it wasn't written on the side I would have never been able to figure out what model mine was. It's a twisted maze of corporate deception ...LOL...
As a sidenote - Starcraft is now back in the hands of the original family and the new boat designs are pretty darn good for a production boat.

I doubt if it's anything but a Starcraft, it's got 4" tall emblems on eash side that say Starcraft, and the ID plate reads Starcraft right on it. If I didn't actually do a close comparison of all the models, I'd have figured it to be Jupiter by pictures. The original owner had called it a Starcraft Holiday but it don't match any Holiday models either. The old PA registration also listed the model as a 1963 Holiday but that's not even an option according to the 1963 brochure.
 

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I have actually been talking with another iboater and it is kind of unknown..... have NOT be able to locate a data plate (yet).

The dimensions are 16' long, 65-66" across (beam) and a 20" transom. Not sure if it's a Jupiter.... could be a dolphin model.... I am sure I will figure it out.
Bob, I just realized I have a 67 Brochure here. Looking thru it I beleive your boat is either a Nassau or Jetstar. I'm basing that on a couple of things. The Nassau came with the semi vee hull at 16'1" length.Transome height was 21". The only thing that's off is the beam which should be 70". The boat only came in Avacado green top and bottom that year. The Jetstar came in your color but only had a 15' length and the picture in the brochure looks just like yours. It is also the semi vee. The Jupiter was concave vee. Is it possible one of your measurements are off? My boat came at 21'6" and my fatherinlaw wanted to fish a particular reservoir here in VA with a 20' max so he wrote a letter to the Game Department saying there was a mistake on his title and just like that they changed his registration and title to show the boat as 20'. Guess the officials gave everyone the benefit of the doubt back in the day! This should be enough info to thoroughly confuse everyone :D
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Well I did a bit of detective work and found out the boat is a 66 and I have paperwork enroute to me.

I was also told that the linkage has to be adjusted on the outboard because it starts in forward. No big thing to me....

Priorities are registration, then work which will all follow the snow! GRRRRRRR 12-15 more inches coming in the next two days.
 

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If it's a '66 then it's gotta be a Jupiter as it's identical to mine.
 

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I'm beginning to think that maybe the specs given in the brochures may be bogus, I have a 1974 Starcraft Super Sport here, the HIN is on the transom and matches a HIN search and clearly ID's the boat as a 1974 Starcraft.
The boat measures exactly 16' on the money when measured from the tip of the bow to the rear top edge of the transom. The beam width measures 72", the spec says 77". The transom width is 66" the spec in the manual is 69.75".
I also have a 1975 of the same model and that boat is longer by 4", wider by 2 inches and the transom is the same.

I am measuring the beam width at the widest part of the bow flare near where the windshield would be, the transom across the very rear of the boat.
I have a copy of the 1974 Brochure, and there's no doubt that this boat was not modified or year changed, the HIN is untouched and it was a one owner boat which I've know nearly since it was new.
The only Starcraft I have that totally matches it's advertised specs is my 1968 Starchief.
I now wonder whether Starcraft used older hulls or made random changes mid year? Up until now, the only boat I had questioned was the 1963 I had, after talking to Bob about his, and reading all of this here. I have to doubt the brochures. Until I actually took a tape measure to the 74 and the 75 Super Sports, I would have bet money they would be identical.

There was some talk on another Starcraft only site of someone doing a Starcraft owners website, but I've not seen anything as of yet.
It would be nice to have a data base of models and various specs, including real world specs and actual owners boats.

Something else that came to mind after talking to another Starcraft owner today, is that Starcraft also made boats which were sold under other brands, but I can't say if this was true for the aluminum hulls as well? Sea King was one of the brands they made boats for. Maybe they made variations of some hulls for other brand names which ended up badged as Starcraft?
 

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RF, I think you may be onto something. I'm sure we're always gonna find something that doesn't fit the brochures.

BTW, heres the link to the Starcraft site. The owner there has made an area for us to post up brochures. I've listed most of the 65 brochure and I have complete brochures for 64 thru 67 and a couple of years in the early 70's. I just need to take the time to scan and post. It would be really nice if we could get some other folks to post up the years they have. The format over at fiberglassics leaves a little to be desired.

http://www.starcraftowners.com/
 

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The way I've always tried to compare these hulls is by depth, beam and length. They made several versions of each, and they seamed to get wider in the later 60's and narrower again into the 70's. They made a few 81" beam 16' boats in the late sixties but they were back down to 77" by the mid 70's.

If I had only owned one of these, and were to go by the old PA registration I got when I bought my '63, I'd have just said it was a Holiday, as was written on the registration, but they didn't make a 16' Holiday in 1963 according to my brochure. The 62 and 63 Brochures are nearly identical with only the layout being different. There's a 62 brochure posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/starcraft_boats/files/1962 STARCRAFT BROCHURE/
Mine has the depth of a Holiday, the beam width of the Starmist or Stardust, Not sure how to tell those two apart as the brochure don't spec them out separate but I believe one had a solid fixed wood bench and a 15" transom while the other had back to back bucket seats and a 20" transom.
Mine has a length that don't match any of the boats made in the 60's that I've seen yet.
I would think it would be easiest to vary the length of a production boat as they simply would just have to leave the extruded panels longer or cut them shorter. Depth and width would be the hardest to change as it would need it's own set of ribs to match the new size.
 
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