1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

[ezmobee]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

Check with a local sign shop. They can usually reproduce decals.

 

[allCAD]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

Thats good advice, and come to think of it, I have a friend that can make vinyl decals in his shop.

Still trying to think of a good name for her (had never been named, so no bad luck to me making my own), so I'll look to get it all done at once - maybe in the meantime I'll get my e-mail to the manufacturer returned. Not that it makes a huge difference, but having original decals would be pretty cool.

 

[allCAD]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

So, I had it out this weekend: might have been the last nice boating weekend here in Southern Ontario and I wanted to take advantage. Used up a tank and enjoyed every minute of it.

I hauled it home and put it in the back yard. I back it up the driveway with the truck and then just hand bomb into the yard. I notice that when it was tipped forward, I could hear some water sloshing down to the bow. Then when I tip it back, it runs to the stern. I flick the bilge on, and it drained all of that water: after ward I was tipping it up and down and could hear nothing else. In the boat, looking at where the pump is seated, you couldn't see any water, but it was obviously under there somewhere. So, not good I guess. The deck is rock solid - no soft spots anywhere I can tell, and the parts of the turf covering the deck I have peeled back show good glass floor with no holes or cracks. I guess I should assume it is getting in where the seat mounts are attached? Or maybe the bilge seat?

I'd really just like to know what the construction makeup is. Wood stringers vs. the hollow glass type, what is under the glass floor, etc. Really only one way to know I'm sure I'll be told: rip the floor out and lay a new one.

I'm still not 100% ready to say that the boating year is over, so untill I out the outboard on the horse in the basement, I don't want to get too messy with it, but I'll update this with what I find and pictures to match.

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

So, I had it out this weekend: might have been the last nice boating weekend here in Southern Ontario and I wanted to take advantage. Used up a tank and enjoyed every minute of it.

I hauled it home and put it in the back yard. I back it up the driveway with the truck and then just hand bomb into the yard. I notice that when it was tipped forward, I could hear some water sloshing down to the bow. Then when I tip it back, it runs to the stern. I flick the bilge on, and it drained all of that water: after ward I was tipping it up and down and could hear nothing else. In the boat, looking at where the pump is seated, you couldn't see any water, but it was obviously under there somewhere. So, not good I guess. The deck is rock solid - no soft spots anywhere I can tell, and the parts of the turf covering the deck I have peeled back show good glass floor with no holes or cracks. I guess I should assume it is getting in where the seat mounts are attached? Or maybe the bilge seat?

I'd really just like to know what the construction makeup is. Wood stringers vs. the hollow glass type, what is under the glass floor, etc. Really only one way to know I'm sure I'll be told: rip the floor out and lay a new one.

I'm still not 100% ready to say that the boating year is over, so untill I out the outboard on the horse in the basement, I don't want to get too messy with it, but I'll update this with what I find and pictures to match.

I'd say it really depends on what you want to do....if its all going to be cosmetic and you feel secure with the deck you have no harm, no foul, and since its just cosmetic work, later repairs can be done as if it was the first repair. If however, for any reason, you end up having to remove the cap, deck, etc and plan on keeping it for a while then I'd think redoing everything while its an easy access fix is the way to go. I know personally I don't want to go through the hassle of removing the cap twice.

This is a question of what you want, when I first thought restoration, I never imagined I would be doing what I have, but personally enjoy it. Will keep an eye on this one, i really like the look of her.

 

[zopperman]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

water could be coming in through the drain plug if it's loose... even through cracks in the top of the transom...

 

[allCAD]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

Considering I will be re-finishing the entirehull and cap, I don't see how getting under the floor for a good look will be all THAT much extra work, but then again I have this problem with doing too much; more than is necessary. I've had too many experiences in the past with fixing things that aren't broke, and I would hate to rip up the floor and see that everything was just fine. Hearing the water run around in it is concerning, but for all I know there is a channel in there designed for that - crazier things have happened. This boat has already shown itself to have some rather unique characteristics.
I don't want to just give her a shiny new paint job only to be left with a big job ripping up the floor in a few years, I'd like to think I can do this now and have a good boat for as long as I want without any major work. So I guess I'm talking myself into taking the floor up. The only part I'm not looking forward to is sanding, and I'm commited to that regardless.

Zopperman, you make a good point about the drain plug. Its an old metal one and I don't like the way it looks. I gave it a standard go-over befiore launching it, and while out on the bay I didn't fill up, I could be getting water there. The transom is one thing I have given some inspection too, but it really seem in great condition - I drilled a hole into it and got hard, dry sawdust. I can see a few spots where people have added fish finders over the years, and those screw spots eventually filled, but I took a better look at a few of them by getting the filling out, and they did not at any point go right through the transom, and the ply in them is also dry; I think this is an even better indication, as they are right at the bottom of the transom at the starboard side. I would imagine this to be the corner of the boat that has always been the deepest, with it being on the outboard end and on the side that always has at least the driver present.

Hopefully the weather holds enough for me to have it out again this weekend, but in the meantime I will start updating this thread with some more detailled pictures before people lose interest.

 

[Shorner2]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

I have this exact boat. I too have been looking for info on it forever and have come up empty handed until now. you are the first person i have seen who has this boat. i have done a complete rebuild on the entire boat. it was not exactly built to last. my floor too was rock solid but i just didnt trust it and wanted a project. i cut the floor out of the entire boat and the stringers are 2 5/8 plywood strips that run from about the dashboard to almost where your fuel tanks would be on either side of boat. center beam is just a 1x6 that is trimmed to fit. easiest my stringers were absolutely soaked and rotten. it was the original floor and the stringers beneath werent even encased in fiberglass. it was a couple strips at either end leaving the wood itself completely exposed. in any case i am happy i did it because the boat is rock solid now. if you pull off that aluminum rub rail like i did you will see the boat is riveted together and it sucks in and out with the riverts and personally drove me crazy. i cut all the rivets out of the entire boat and fiberglassed the top and bottom of the boat together as one solid piece. (the constant creaking of the rivets drove me crazy as well.) youre does not have pics of the interior but mine had 2x4s supporting the dashboard running to the floor and the looked godawful and just cracked on either side of the support. i cut the entire dashboard out of the boat from side to side and built a beam to fit in and fiberglassed just to fit as the old dashboard did and stiffen out the front end and hence eliminate the need for the ugly supports and generally just open the boat up. the original motor mount was aluminum i pulled it off and redid the entire transom inside and out refiberglassed everything. Rebuilt the motor mount out of stainless (not quite done yet still have to tig weld it up next week) just finished all the body work on it today actually and found all this which is ironic (about 500 hours) so it is gonna get painted soon. Was going to get it done professionally because i can do just about everything with enough time and effort except paint, im just brutal at it, but money restrictions may force me to learn now. sorry to get ahead of myself i just got excited to see that you were inquiring as the boat i have and cant find anything about. its just exciting to see someone else want to restore the same boat as mine. i will update pics if you would like for a comparison of your own

 

[Shorner2]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

also i was curious as to what you had for a motor? i bought mine with a 69 evinrude 2 stroke 100 hp that was a 69..i always figured it was original to the boat...but seemed like a lot of motor for a little boat. weighed near 500 lbs. since ive rebuilt everything ive got a totally rebuilt and restored 2 stroke merc 115 but i was always curious and its not often i find somebody who may know

 

[allCAD]

Re: 1967 Humber Surf beautification project.

Wow - yes, please post pics.

To be honest, I've winterized the boat and not looked at it since the season ended. I have been working on the motor I intend for it, but I would also liker to re-do the boat as well, will probably be the summer project if I can find something else to ride around on while it's torn apart.

I bought it with a Johnson 40hp attached to it, and while it was fine, was certainly underpowered. I am rebuilding a Johnson 60hp that will be it's permanent power, which will be fine. I'm not looking for a speedboat, seems l;ike 100+ hp would be too much for it. The original tag on it says it is rated for up to 80hp, not that it means all that much.

Anyway, I'd love to see what you did with yours. Any tips you might have, or wierd things you fiound when completing the redo would be appreciated as well.