1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

[krazebill]

I just found this 40 horse Evinrude in the barn and it is missing the controls, voltage regulator, ignition, instruments. I have read several of the threads regarding the selectric and determined that it shifts when voltage applied to the wires. Will any of the selectric control boxes work with this motor or do I need to watch for special ones?
Model# 40772E ser# E02034. I see there are control units with a key and there are control units w/o key and have seperate instrumments for in-dash (ignition, ammeter etc) and the control just does throttle and shift. There are also controls for larger HP motors. What are my options? My motor has the rectangular plug and I wee there are several control units with a round plug. Can I use the round if I am unable to find one with the rectangular by cutting the round plug off and splicing wires?

 

[tx1961whaler]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

It will need a control for a selectric, not a hydro-electric shift. You would be safe getting an electric shift control for any 40HP Evinrude or Johnson, since the 40hp never had a hydro-electric gearcase. The hydro-electric control wiring is not compatible with a selectric gearcase.
If it was me doing this and I had no junction box, I'd rip out all of the old remaining wiring, buy a marine (not car) starter solenoid, and make my own wiring harness. I'd also ditch the generator, since it is no good without the expensive mechanical regulator. The motor will do fine for 3 day trips with just a deep cycle on it.
Make sure the unit actually shifts and has good compression before spending any money on stuff.

 

[mstahl1171]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Ditto what TX says. I have a 63 Lark selectric shift and spent more money on the generator and regulator than i spent for the motor, shipping and repairs to make it a good solid motor. You can try ebay or Fairwinds Marina in Annapolis MD for your control and junction box if you want to go that route. Ive seen guys make their own junction boxes also from NEMA rated electrical boxes.

 

[boobie]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Sorry, but I would just part it out and find something newer.

 

[krazebill]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Thank you all for the advice. I already own a '62 Lark IV 40 HP and it starts and runs so smoooth and quiet that I would really like to get his younger sister working...its such a pretty girl LOL. I rather like the idea of tearing out and we-wiring.
What about just getting a regular automotive voltage regulator and doing the re-wire? What else is in that junction box (that's missing) that I would need? The ignition is pretty much a seperate circuit from the Generator and the Gen has just the two wires out, go to the voltage reg and one wire from volt reg to battery...right?

 

[tx1961whaler]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

An automotive regulator won't work. That is a field regulated DC Generator, not an alternator. The regulators on these have 3 terminals: Field, Armature and Battery. The Field and Armature go off to the generator field and armature connections, and the battery goes back to the battery through a fuse.
You can still buy the proper type of regulator, PN 381537, superceded by 383609

 

[krazebill]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Thanks TX! You've been a great help to me. I'll let you know how I make out-I need to check compression and get this old girl to spark up before I spend any money on her.

 

[lindy46]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

You could very easily spend more money on the parts you need than what the motor is worth. Then if you get the parts, you still don't know whether the selectric actually works or if the generator works. Could turn into a real money pit. Being a Selectric in unknown condition, I, too, would part it out.

 

[tx1961whaler]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

You can see if the selectric coils work by applying 12V to one shift wire at a time and see whether the prop locks into gear. Never apply voltage to both shift wires at the same time. It will shift without having to be running. The wires/connectors can be found by the powerhead before the wires dive down into the midsection. This test will tell you if it goes into gear, but will not tell you whether it will slip under load.

 

[mstahl1171]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Dont let the lower unit scare you. Super easy to work on and I have found 3 complete sets of NOS selectric coils for my Lark for less than $300 with shipping. I plan to keep it going for many years to come....if you need parts let me know...I can help you get NOS parts on the cheap. Most of the problems with them tend to be the wiring from the powerhead down to the lower unit. I have made my own cables but you can still by NOS for under $50.00 if it is bad. Seals and bearings still in stock as well. Keep us posted on what you find

 

[krazebill]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Thank you ALL! i do so appreciate the idea flow from these forums.
I tend towards TX and MSTAHL in that I Love my Larks !! BTW MSTAHL, Your Lark is beautiful. I too have a '62 Lark 40 hp.
I have already determined that the motor shifts. And I read in an earlier post about motoring up the gen. Next will be a compression check. Then we'll try to fire her up. Should be Tuesday b4 I know anymore.

 

[mstahl1171]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Awesome!...keep us posted

 

[krazebill]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

OK guys, I got some controls. Had to settle for controls with a round plug, I will cut and splice to adapt to my rectangular plug at the motor. I am still lacking the voltage regulator and its junction box, what all is inside that junction box-I suspect it is usually mounted at the transom. Is there more in there than the voltage regulator and a fuse to the battery? Since I have a working generator seems silly not to put it to use. Seems everything works on the motor ie starter, selectric shift, generator etc.

 

[mstahl1171]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

My junction box holds the fuse block, regulator and starter selonoid. my j-box also has a connector for the engine harness to connect to the fuse block, regulator and control box. If you need I can send you a wiring diagram that shows all the items and how they are wired.
Also goto maxrules.com He has wiring diagrams online you can look at.

 

[mstahl1171]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

you sir have a PM!!

 

[krazebill]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Thank you mstahl!! That is exactly what i needed!! The wire diag at maxrules is perfect and the link to your Whaler and Lark were informative as well, it helps when I can see the whole picture. Can't wait to get back to work on her...this weekend

 

[mstahl1171]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

your welcome...cant wait to see your pics and updates on progress!

 

[krazebill]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

I finally got to see a real live 1967 Lark IX selectric and found that the solenoid and the voltage regulator are indeed mounted inside the motor cover. The voltage reg. mounts underneath the generator and the solenoid mounts under the starter. My lark has the solenoid but is lacking the voltage regulator. Therefore I do not need the confounded Junction box, I only need the voltage reg. Reading some of these other posts here I have come up with several places to purchase the needed part. My thanks to all you gear heads that have helped me in all the posts!!
I am ordering the part and should have this motor ready for service by my birthday (Sept. 5) I will post pics of finished project.

 

[mstahl1171]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

Awsome....keep up the good work. Post some pics

 

[krazebill]

Re: 1967 Selectric 40 horse needs help

I got some extra time in on the project yesterday(Sunday). In the last few weeks I found ignition switch, choke button and nice ignition plate with a spot for the ammeter in the middle.Got the motor all wired up and she spun over nicely! Shifts well and has 100PSI in each cylinder. I have a voltage regualtor on order -they are hard to find and not cheap either. had to pay $65.00 for a new one found it at an Implement Dealer here in town!!-Next test is add gasoline, put in water and GO! With that being a successful test I will start to post pics of the project.
Thanks to all who have added to this Forum, you have been a great source of information for me.