1969 85hp no reverse or neutral !! HELP !

safaritom

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i have an 85hp johnson 1969 model ...i believe it has an electric shift.... reverse and neutral were fine when i had taken it out early in the day but as i was pulling up to the boat ramp i put it in reverse and gave it some throttle and it went forward !!!!!!!!! so now when i test it out of the water it wont stay in neutral.....it stays in neutral for about 10 seconds before the prop starts spinning ......not free spinning but a full spin.... can anyone help me ??? and when i put it in reverse it still spins in forward !! please help !!!!!!<br /><br /> Safari Tom <br /> www.safaritom.bearshare.org
 

usedboats4u

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Re: 1969 85hp no reverse or neutral !! HELP !

I WOULD CHECK TO MAKE SURE THE SWITCH IN THE CONTROL HANDLE IS WORKING, YOU CAN DO THIS BY SIMPLY CHECKING THE VOLTAGE ON THE BLUE AND GREEN WIRES THAT RUN TO THE LOWER UNIT, WITH THE KEY ON AND THE HANDLE IN REVERSE, THIS UNIT STAYS IN FORWARD WITH NO POWER GOING TO IT, ONE WIRE HAS POWER IN N, AND BOTH HAVE POWER IN REVERSE.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1969 85hp no reverse or neutral !! HELP !

Tom.... You may find the following information useful.<br /><br />(Hydro Electric Shift)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /><br />The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.<br /> <br />You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Preminum Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube) <br /><br />In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire. <br />In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one. <br />In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear) <br /><br />To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed. <br /><br />This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).<br /> <br />With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 
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