1969 Starcraft Star Trek - V Restoration - I'm goin' in...

mflutz

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I just bought this boat for $500 with a '69 33hp Evinrude Electric Start Motor... If the motor works I'm satisfied with the price. We'll get to that later. For now I have ripped out the floor and begun to tear out the transom. I plan to use 2 thicknesses of 3/4 inch plywood for the transom.

I'm posting these photos to start the thread... I'll keep pics updated as I progress. I've learned one thing so far... You folks that have actually finished your rebuilds are brave souls! So here goes...
 

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Going in? Cool! I'm with ya man!

Welcome to the iboats dry dock and the Starcraft brohood:D
 

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Welcome to iboats! That would make an awesome fishing rig.
 

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You realize that with that model boat, you are going to have to re-name your thread the "Captains Log, Star(craft)date: 2012.8" or "Star Trek V: The search for rot" :cool: :D
 

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Re: 1969 Starcraft Star Trek - V Restoration - I'm goin' in...

Star date: 2012.8.16
Update to show the hull with decking removed. And the transom which is turning to dust on my garage floor.

Does anyone have experience with Gluvit? Specifically, is it best to use thin coats, or apply liberally. What prep work should be done? I used a quality industrial cleaner on the oxidized paint which removed the loose paint. Should I use acetone as well? I think that if I have all the oxidized paint removed I shouldn't have to use acetone. I just want to make sure the gluvit bonds. Or do I even have to worry about this? Its been recommended to use 80-100 grit sandpaper to scuff the surface for a good bond.
 

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HI mf. Making great progress on the demo. Gluv-it is pretty easy to use. Just sand lightly, clean the interior of the boat well with soap and water and wipe down the interior with a bit of acetone or other solvent to remove and grease/oils, then mix the Gluiv-it per the directions and apply to the interior seems below the water line of the boat using disposable chip brushes. Just a regular/normal layer will be fine. You may need/want to tilt the boat at times to help the Gluv-it run into all the nooks and crannies, but it should go on pretty easily otherwise. Once it cures, it should remain flexible. This will allow it flex with the hull while underway. You can also use any you may have leftover to seal the wooden components. You may not have enough for the whole transom, but you might be able to do a few of the smaller pieces. Be sure you have them ready b/c you'll have a relatively short pot life. Hot temps also cause the epoxy to "kick" (react) more quickly, so try to store your Gluv-it inside the night before you use it. That way it's relatively cool when you mix it, which should buy you a little more working time. After it cures (24 hrs. for good measure) you'll need to give it some sort of UV protection in the form of paint, or by installing a deck. That's about it. Clean/prep surface, apply Gluv-it, let cure, cover/paint over for UV protection.
 

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Re: 1969 Starcraft Star Trek - V Restoration - I'm goin' in...

Thank you Cap.

Should I use Gluv-it on the exterior joints and rivots as well? I purchased a gallon of it and had planned on that. I only want to do the ext. if necessary. I like the idea of using it on the transom as well.

Is it okay to use a construction grade adhesive (PL-xxx ish) to glue the transom together? (between the two pieces of plywood)

Another question is what to use through the upper holes that are through the transom above the backwash metal that is screwed to the inside of the transom? These ports had some malleable metal possibly lead? press fitted into ~3/4" them; I believe so the water that washes over the back of the transom will drain out. I was thinking maybe pvc? Or is there a replacement part? I had to destroy the originals.


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Hi Marty,

Great score on that rig...gonna make a nice fishing platform...

You can use PL adhesive, but it takes a long time to cure...

Titebond III is waterproof and it will be ready to use by the next day...

Then you can apply 2-3 of coats of epoxy over all the transom wood, give it a coat of paint to protect the epoxy from UV, and you will be good to go...

Have fun and I'll be watching along...

GT1M
 

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Re: 1969 Starcraft Star Trek - V Restoration - I'm goin' in...

Gluvit on the outside ends up being kind of a mess and makes for a rough paint finish. Inside works well.

PL Premium is AOK to glue the transom together. TightBond II is great as is Gorilla Glue.

Your splashwell drain tubes can be replaced with plastic or aluminum (though you'll need the special tool for the alum ones).

http://www.iboats.com/Boat-Parts-Accessories/dm/keywords.drain tubes

Edit: Too slow, GT has ya covered there;)
 

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+1 on the Titebond III. It's awesome and you can get it any Lowes/HD. You really only need to apply the Gluvit to the interior riveted seams of the boat that will be below the waterline. You don't want to apply it, or any other sealant, to the outside of a hull, or to any non-riveted areas of the interior above or below the waterline. You're essentially just waterproofing the seems which could potentially leak. You shouldn't need that much to do the interior seems. If you're lucky, you might have enough leftover to seal up your decks and/or transom so I'd try to have them pre-cut. Once the chemical reaction in the Gluvit starts you'll have limited working time, so the more prep you can have done the better. I would also try to make small batches, if at all possible.
As for the drain thingy, I can't quite picture it. Sounds like a scupper valve, or splash well drains. Do you have a pic?
 

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IBoats is awesome. (bad english?)

Moving on... I have found eight small holes caused by an over zealos carpet installer with a pneumatic pin-nailer. (sigh) I can hear him experiencing his new-found joy... "wow this thing works great!"

The white spots in the first pic are my garage floor reflecting through the holes. The second pic shows how they were made.

These are along the crease that the decking sits on and therefore below the water-line. How do I fix these? They are maybe 1/32nds of an inch.

Since I'm thinking (generally speaking) un-necessary holes in boats are 100% BAD! I obviously want to fix them before I go much further.

Any/all advice is sooooooo appreciated! Thanks again to all.
MFL
 

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I believe you could seal them up with some rivets and gluvit...
 

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Okay... I wish I knew more about this...

There are like 30 different rivets in the IBoats catalog. Which type is recommened to keep water out? The standard everyday rivets I have have a hole through the middle (the pin can fall out after its done its job). I have to go to Lowe's/HD today.

There are two catagories on IBoats for rivets: Marine Rivets and Boat Rivets. i am not dumb... but certainly confused...
 

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You can get closed end pop rivets or use solid rivets. You can get them all at rivetsinstock.com. The solid rivets require an air powered rivet gun and a second person to hold a bucking bar. It's not hard to do.
 

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Star date: 2012.8.16
Update to show the hull with decking removed. And the transom which is turning to dust on my garage floor.

Does anyone have experience with Gluvit? Specifically, is it best to use thin coats, or apply liberally. What prep work should be done? I used a quality industrial cleaner on the oxidized paint which removed the loose paint. Should I use acetone as well? I think that if I have all the oxidized paint removed I shouldn't have to use acetone. I just want to make sure the gluvit bonds. Or do I even have to worry about this? Its been recommended to use 80-100 grit sandpaper to scuff the surface for a good bond.

Gluvit is sold by the quart (or gallon) a quart will more than do your boat. I mixed batches of 10%-20%. Once you mix it it hardens up, so you can't reuse. If you use a small scale and measure in grams this will be more accurate. I like weight rather than volume, I like grams better than ounces. I tilted my boat up on edge so the epoxy could pool against the seam. Apply with a brush. It smells good too.:p

Use liberally, you need to get a good seal.

good luck, Don
 

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You may also be able to fill the holes in the boat with JB weld and/or Marine Tex spreadable epoxies. If you have some more pics of the damage we can see if you need to rivet, or fill the holes. If you do need rivets, it's probably bets to buy them in bulk from sites/stores like Fastenal, etc... If the holes are 1/32", you generally would drill out the holes to accept a 1/16" rivet. Lots of folks will also dip the rivet in JB or 3M 5300 just prior to installation to add an extra layer of protection.
 

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I think I am going to go with JB weld for the small holes. The two in the pics are too close together to drill out; the rivets wouldn't have enough space to clear one another and would cause a bigger problem. So I plan to get the surface prep'd, JB weld, and cover with Gluv-it inside and out. Just a dab the size of quarter on the water side. When I paint the hull I'm confident they won't pose a problem. I have the same issue on another set of holes. If anyone thinks this is a really bad idea. Please post it!
 

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I finished the transom (pics coming) and am ready to gluvit everything... I am ready to plan my steering cable routing. I decided to go with a center console and am wondering if the cables can be routed under the deck? I also need to purchase the parts; steering wheel to motor. I have several pullies... At this point I just need to know where the best place to feed the cabling is. I sure would like it to be under the deck. Ideas/suggestions?
 

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Hello again mflutz. The JB should work fine for those small holes. Most folks route their controls/wires under the deck down the center line of the boat, usually through a piece of PVC, but you could run them to one side, then back to the motor. Here's a little sketch.

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