1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix it??

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

I'll try not to be too long winded (I have a tendency for long posts).. Glass repair 101: if a crack goes all the way through the laminates, the crack needs to be ground down and tapered on both sides of the face (typically a 12:1 taper; so an 1/8" skin should be tapered around 1.5 - 2" on both sides of the crack, 1/4" skin = roughly 3" taper; etc.. both faces of the crack).

***You're looking to replace the damaged area from both sides.

Clean and prep with acetone then lay up glass with resin; final layers with CSM (chopped strand matt 1.5oz). So, looking at your transom, you have grinding to do on both sides of the outer skin (the side of the transom in your pic) as well as both sides of the inner skin (the side not shown). You're transom thickness is only 1.5", so it's going to be a little difficult to get at both inside faces of both skins (if that makes any sense :p). That's the only reason I was suggesting the approach I did. Like I said, normally I would agree with the cap method; however, not in this instance. Again, just my $.02

As far as the stringers, drill a small hole in the center of the stringer and catch the drill shavings. If they're clean and dry, you're good to go. If they're dark and wet, then time to do more searching on the forum.. Hope this helps!
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

BWT I am NOT following you at ALL. He has to remove the wood core of the transom to get to the inside of the Transoms outerskin. With the splashwell in place it is very difficult to remove the wood core. This can be accomplished MUCH more easily IMHO, with the top cap removed. We really need pics of the entire boat to give a better evaluation but in most cases top cap removal is necessary for replacing the transom unless you do a seacast pour in transom. Post up some pics of the entire boat both inside and out.

As for your stringers, You will have to remove a portion of the deck or cut a hole to gain access to the stringers and then drill holes as BWT described
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

What I am suggesting is to remove the outer (exterior) fiberglass skin (full thickness) to completely reveal the entire plywood core. Now you have direct access (and easy access) for removal AND REPLACEMENT, as well as access to the inboard skin of the transom (the side with the well; not shown).. The owner is going to have to layup glass anyway to repair the cracks, and it's less work to layup sheets and fabricate a new exterior skin (even with the faring) than it is to "pop the cap" and re-secure... At least that's been my experience.

I suspect there is some confusion in the terminology that's being used; there are alot of inner and outer, faces and skins being used.. :eek:
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

i will go take more pics of the boat tomorrow.. thanks for all the help. i will get up some more pics asap
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

What I am suggesting is to remove the outer (exterior) fiberglass skin (full thickness) to completely reveal the entire plywood core. Now you have direct access (and easy access) for removal AND REPLACEMENT, as well as access to the inboard skin of the transom (the side with the well; not shown).. The owner is going to have to layup glass anyway to repair the cracks, and it's less work to layup sheets and fabricate a new exterior skin (even with the faring) than it is to "pop the cap" and re-secure... At least that's been my experience.

I suspect there is some confusion in the terminology that's being used; there are alot of inner and outer, faces and skins being used.. :eek:


Well, I am going to STRONGLY disagree with this approach. Cutting the entire outerskin of the stern(Transom) out of the boat just to fix a crack is NOT, IMHO, the correct approach. Can it/has it been done? Yep. But ONLY in EXTREME cases and I don't believe this is one of those. This can be fixed in a more conventional method. The typical inside outside grind, feather, and Lam methodology will work just fine here.
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

Cutting the entire outerskin of the stern(Transom) out of the boat just to fix a crack is NOT, IMHO, the correct approach. .

Fixing a crack is not the only goal for this repair; more than likely there are more cracks than the one shown in the pic, AND the entire core is shot and needs to be removed/ replaced. It is a more aggressive approach, BUT the most direct route to a proper repair IMHO (both methods would achieve the same result). A transom of this size could be turned around in 35-40 hours (start to finish).
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

Dom, if you post up pics of the whole boat, then the entire transom area, the front and also get a closer shot of the rub rail (the rubber piece of trim, may or may not have chrome in center, that goes all the way around the boat), then these guys can get you started. You really, really need to read through some of the transom replacement/boat restore threads to get a feel for what you're doing, otherwise, the terminology these experts will provide is going to be confusing to say the least. To answer one of your questions, to "pop the top" you've got to start with removing that rub rail (which is why I think a pic would help with suggestions on the best way to do this), and then you'll need someone to help lift it off. Of course, the engine needs pulled before anything so if you don't have an engine hoist, ask around to borrow or rent one. Also, there's great ideas on here on building an engine stand because you'll need somewhere to put it once it comes off the boat.
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

here are some more pics.. the floorboard is in good shape. no soft spots. got as good of pics as i could..
 

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here are a couple more.. wouldnt let me attach them all to one post
 

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dom_litty09

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

sorry i did not read your post before i went and took these pics.. the boat is out of town b/c i have no room for it.. but these are the only pics i took. alot of the transom and cracks. then a couple interior pics and 1 pic of the whole boat.. if any one needs more pics ill get out there asap to take more..
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

Wholly Moolly!!! That Transom and deck and Stringer system is TRASHED.
dom_litty09, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are definetly looking at a TOTAL Restoration job here. With that antiquated Chrysler motor and that age of boat, unless you are REALLY attached to her, You might be better off looking for another boat. You will be investing a LOT of time, effort and Dollars into fixing this old girl and you will NEVER get your money back. She is in Real BAD shape. That's my opion. You can wait and see what others say. But for sure, you will need to De-Capitate her to fix her properly. IMHO you are looking at a MINIMUM of $1,000 bucks to fix her and prolly more.
 

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

Your going to have to uncap for sure just to get more reinforcement from the inside.

Transom wood shot ?? probably ..but we wont know until more investigation is done. ( the biggie crack on the port side looks to be repaired already .. could be just bondo falling off.. who knows until you remove the delam and get to the wood for visual inspection ).

As far as the stringers... cant really tell from the pics. You need to drill test core sample like BWT suggested to make sure ( could just be oily crap or dirty staining and not rot ).

Really at this point you can post all the pics you want but without hard investigative data with them its really too soon to say for sure what all is needed. You need to get in there and investigate. .. Show and tell kinda thing..not just show ;) .

YD.
 

dom_litty09

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Re: 1971 larson boat (fiberglass). BAD crack in the back.. Whats the best way to fix

i am considering just selling it.. but i have a family friend that does alot of work on boats and i am going to bring it to him first to see what he thinks about it.. thanks for all the help!
 
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