1972 1150 IL6 leaking and in need of rebuild :-)

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2cycle

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My Glastron is fairly tired too, but the engine has been rebuilt so I'm reluctant to separate unless something better and well-priced comes along.
 
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Well, finally got around to removing the powerhead but what a fright I got when we lifted it up and a whole rectangular yard long 'tube like thing' with a baffle plate in it came out too. We had to lift the powerhead up by about 2-3ft just to get the head off, im worried that these parts were supposed to stay on the lower unit....eek<br /><br />There was also a brass pipe that im unsure of that came out too, roughly the same size again, should I be worried or was this supposed to happen.....Stan
 
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oh man,bad things happening here.hi stan,that brass tube is the water tube and that 'tube like thing' is the exhaust system.yep,it shoulda stayed in the driveshaft housing.ya gotta git that off and put it back,with a new gasket.make sure the brass water tube goes back into the top of the water pump housing properly.probbly better to remove gear box then put the exhaust thing back in,then put the gearbox back on.you can service the water pump at the same time.
 
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I've got a new impeller and housing to put in the lower unit anyways so, I'll do just that B20.<br /><br />Stan..........
 
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Stant1man I pulled the power head on my 1980 50hp and the same thing happened,the exhaust tube came out with it. The water tube had come out while I was putting in the new water pump kit.It came out because the screws holding the flang,that secures the water tube to the powerhead,had fallen out. I don't know if your water tube secures to the block in that fashion but trust me it's a lot easier to put the water tube and exhaust on the powerhead before you drop it through the leg. Also there is a gasket on the end of the water tube that goes to the powerhead. At least that was my senerio. Two days of fiddleing through the bottom,ten minutes by way of the top trying to put the tube back on the power head. Good luck on your project.
 
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im sure i'll get there, my main objective was to stop leaks and rebuild the carbs. Ive encountered a few problems so far - <br /><br />1. On the exhaust manifold cover plate I have only managed to save 10 bolts the rest are broken, and believe me I was careful, applied oil for days, then hammered the bolt heads followed by the use of an impact driver back and forth, the best I could do was 10 out. 2 extractabe stubs the rest will need to be drilled and re-tapped.<br /><br />2. I only managed to save 1 bolt on the spark plug water cover however my engine has nuts at the back of those so I forsee minimal problems there.<br /><br />3. On my carbs I have a little cylinder containing a mesh filter(which was bunged up with what looked like sawdust!!!). Each cylinder, one on each carb was held on by a little bolt :( er...two of which broke! :'o(<br /><br />I seem to have been very unlucky here but the weather in scotland is nothing short of crap and the engine was out in this weather uncovered for a year, im amazed I got it running.<br /><br />Please help guys, dont tell me im doomed!<br /><br />Mega assistance and advice required, c'mon Clams, Phatmanmike where are you guys......<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Stan
 
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stan,you are not doomed,just learning real fast.stick with it.you are having all the 'standard' old in-line problems.
 
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Re: 1972 1150 IL6 leaking and in need of rebuild :)

Originally posted by stant1man:<br /> im sure i'll get there, my main objective was to stop leaks and rebuild the carbs. Ive encountered a few problems so far - <br /><br />1. On the exhaust manifold cover plate I have only managed to save 10 bolts the rest are broken, and believe me I was careful, applied oil for days, then hammered the bolt heads followed by the use of an impact driver back and forth, the best I could do was 10 out. 2 extractabe stubs the rest will need to be drilled and re-tapped.<br /><br />2. I only managed to save 1 bolt on the spark plug water cover however my engine has nuts at the back of those so I forsee minimal problems there.<br /><br />3. On my carbs I have a little cylinder containing a mesh filter(which was bunged up with what looked like sawdust!!!). Each cylinder, one on each carb was held on by a little bolt :( er...two of which broke! :'o(<br /><br />I seem to have been very unlucky here but the weather in scotland is nothing short of crap and the engine was out in this weather uncovered for a year, im amazed I got it running.<br /><br />Please help guys, dont tell me im doomed!<br /><br />Mega assistance and advice required, c'mon Clams, Phatmanmike where are you guys......<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Stan
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Once you get the exhaust plates off, you may find that more of the 14 bolts left have nubs. I highly advise you find someone who tig-welds (gas welder) and get nuts welded on those and try it that way.<br /><br />You have nothing unusual there.<br /><br />Once you get the block back together... IF you fail to get the carb issue resolved, I could prolly point you toward a set of cleaned carbs for that motor on Ebay - but I think you can get the 2 bolts with enough work.<br /><br />-W
 
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Thanks for the response guys, I have removed the exhaust plates and there are only 2 that I could grip but like you suggest Clams welding nuts on sounds like a good idea. I'll look into that, what about the broken bolts on the carbs though??? Is this more of a problem, is it possible to purchase the bolts in question? Also, is their a place online that will sell my relpacement nuts and bolts, I would like to replace them all.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Stan...........
 
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All the bolts are standard SAE stuff. Those carb bolts are over the counter stuff, perhaps phillips as opposed to hex.<br /><br />Soak the carb bolts (a lot) and then use a teeny weeny easy out.<br /><br />-W
 
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Those carb bolts are really really small with a hex head. Is it possible to get an easy out that small and if so the drill bit would need to be like 1mm as the thread is only like 2-3mm. I have a fair bit of thread sticking out on both carbs so i'll soak it like you said and then maybe try and grip it with some pliers. <br /><br />P.S. Whats SAE?<br /><br />Stan..............
 
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SAE is a system of thread sizing (ect).like metric,BA,UNC,UNF,BSW,BSF et al.
 
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Can anyone assist in helping me to source these parts.<br /><br />- All nuts and bolts securing the water cover plate(spark plug side) to the powerhead.<br /> <br />- All bolts securing the exhaust manifold cover plate to the powerhead<br /> <br />- 3 little bolts that secure the filter screen housing to the carbs<br /> <br />- All fuel lines that run around engine, to and from carbs, fuel pumps etc(I noticed that these lines had screw ends on them)<br /><br />- Plastic choke flap from middle carb(mine broke)<br /><br />All in all its a bunch of bolts and a couple of pipes but Mercury want over $200US eek...<br /><br />Don't want to be a stinge but hey, a man must watch his wallet and at this rate, it'll soon be an empty one.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Stan
 
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I'll email you.... normally this type of thing is frowned on here... but being in Scotland - I see your problem and assume the Cods here will too.<br /><br />-W
 
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Thanks Clams, e-mail in the post! I've sourced a company that fabricate hoses so I may be able to get that sorted locally.<br /><br />Stan..
 
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Originally posted by Clams Canino:<br />
Once you get the exhaust plates off, you may find that more of the 14 bolts left have nubs. I highly advise you find someone who tig-welds (gas welder) and get nuts welded on those and try it that way.
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I have my friend coming over at the weekend, he has an electric welder, he says it can be done with that, is he right?<br /><br />Upon further inspection of the broken bolts there are none that are recessed into the block but many that are flush with it. Is it possible to just sit a nut over this and weld through the centre connecting the stub to the nut??<br /><br />Stan.........
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It'll be tricky with electric OR gas even. May have to go drill and helicoil route. If in doubt have a machine shop do it.<br /><br />-W
 
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im back<br /><br />stan, before you try the welding route, try this lil ditty i made up( i think)<br /><br />if ANY of the stud/bolt is still accesable, i would use my angle grinder and grind the stud square,and the neat the crap outa it and grip it with a good set of locking pliers. this kleeps the pliers from slipping on a round stud. i have used it on many of my motors, although it doesnt always work, its worth a try, and its free.<br /><br />if you dont have a grinder , you can use a dremmel or similar device.<br /><br />good luck and most importantly, have fun!
 
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Ok guys, an update.<br /><br />Tried everything! Could not get any more of the studs on the exhaust cover plate out. Welded on good but they just sheared again :( I did however manage to get the "plug side" water cover off which I was pleased with so all I have to do there is replace the nuts and bolts.<br /><br />Its the drill route im afraid. Im going to take it to an engineering shop on Monday to have them remove or drill the studs and retap.<br /><br />As for the little carb bolts, I had no luck there either. I'll take them along to the engineering shop too and see if they can sort it. If they cant then i'll be searching for a couple of float bowl covers...bummer!<br /><br />Progress none the less!<br /><br />Stan.............
 
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