1972 johnson 50hp won't go into reverse...

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bluebrownie

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at the end of the season, it was going into reverse... i took my motor off and put it on a different boat... fired up the motor... ran fine, but didn't go into reverse... if i opened the throttle up in reverse, it was still going in forward...could i have messed up somthing in the shifter box...i did have that apart briefly... i know there is that switch in there that changes on direction... any ideas?
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Re: 1972 johnson 50hp won't go into reverse...

you probably have a wire loose or a connector not making contact. it is hydro-electric shift. it defaults to forward gear, has to have power to lower unit to shift to neutral, and reverse. here's great info by Joe Reeves

Hydro Electric Shift)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Re: 1972 johnson 50hp won't go into reverse...

what a great forum, & I'm proud I became one of the family members.. I just bought a 15 1/2' Starcraft with a 1972 Johnson 65hp motor.... Well I thought the first thing I would do is put in new plugs, & change the leg oil.. Went fishing, started the motor & it went forward, put it in reverse & it still went forward .. so after I got home I came to the forum to see if others had this problem.. I came across this thread not to use Hi Vis oil in the leg which I did use. So according to instructions I drained it, flushed it with Dextron III, & filled it with Type C electric shift oil.. started the motor, & it works just fine prop doesn't turn in Neutral, shifts into reverse & forward & back to neutral just fine... thanks to all for these suggestions & thanks to this fine forum for making all this possible...
I shall be lurking, & if I ever have anything to contribute I'll gladly do so..
John from Prince Albert Sask.. Canada



you probably have a wire loose or a connector not making contact. it is hydro-electric shift. it defaults to forward gear, has to have power to lower unit to shift to neutral, and reverse. here's great info by Joe Reeves

Hydro Electric Shift)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Re: 1972 johnson 50hp won't go into reverse...

I have a 1972 40hp MD 40E728 Do I have the same sytem do I need to use special Oil?
 

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Re: 1972 johnson 50hp won't go into reverse...

if it does not have a shift lever on the starboard side of the motor, you have the same system. yes, you need the special oil.
 

ErikLynden

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Re: 1972 johnson 50hp won't go into reverse...

U mean the left side look straight at the motor?
 

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Re: 1972 johnson 50hp won't go into reverse...

you always. use port and starboard with a boat. that way there is no confusion.

here is he key. in the boat looking forward, starboard is the right side, post is the left side. Front is bow, back is Stern. part motor mounts to is Transom. control center is Console, steering wheel is Helm. floor is DECK, between floor and hull is Bilge.
 

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Hi having a similar problem. I bought a used 85 H.P 1972 Johnson and had to purchase and older remote controller which i'm pretty confident is the same one used for this model engine( single throttle cable.) I noticed in my remote control their is a micro switch that moves when the lever is moved from fwd to reverse. I know if stiff and broken inside. Could that prevent the motor going into reverse? Thanks
 

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The switch is the shift switch. Yes, it will affect shifting if broken.

Now on to the new thread.
 

racerone

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Earlier electramatic shift switches will not work.---They look the same but are different.
 
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