1972 Johnson 65 HP

chuckndiscs

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Are / were all 1972 Johnson 65 HP electric shift?? If so, was this also true in 1969? Have an offer out for a 72 65HP Johnson and when I did a little research on the engine itself (to test it properly, understand what Im buying, etc) all I read is that they are electric shift.... I hope not! :(

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59_seafair

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

in 72 the 65hp came in hydro-electric shift. As for the 69 I know that my 55hp is also hydro-electric.
 

chuckndiscs

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

in 72 the 65hp came in hydro-electric shift. As for the 69 I know that my 55hp is also hydro-electric.

Thanks!

So help me to understand.... All I have EVER heard or read (including tonight) is stay away from these electric shift motors. Does that include Hydro-electric? What is the difference? Are Hydro-electrics any good or nothing but trouble? The motor is cheap, so I almost confident it is said Hydro electric. Sigh... All I have ever heard are bad things so very very very weary of purchasing this motor, if at all.

Am I right about the general opinion being negative? Is this general opinion right on, over doing it, or ?

Thanks!

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

Well IMO only, the motor is good. Real simple design. But that is my two cents. Mine is working great for being a 69.
 

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

Well IMO only, the motor is good. Real simple design. But that is my two cents. Mine is working great for being a 69.

Thanks for the input, appreciated.

I read further last night (about an hour or two) and what I got out of it all, on average was: As long as you maintain them they work good (any engine standard...) and as long as the switch doesnt fail in the controls to shift (VERY EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO FIND....$400.00 if you find it approx) then things should be fine. So I am still up in the air, going to talk to the fellow in a bit this morning. Apparently though, boat and motor(s) have sat for 5 years... hmmm another piece to the puzzle! :)

One thing I dont know how much comes into play is these hydro-electrics start in forward...? Im not sure I like that BUT I read that they are only in forward for 1 - 2 turns of the shaft or something to that....?

Thanks for any additional input on this!

The price is about $200.00 for the 72 65 HP and another $200.00 for a 69 60HP BOTH with their own controls. Are the parts interchangeable on the 69 and 72?

Thanks!

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ChazNY

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

My motor has been great. They start in neutral. No issues for me so far. I've had mine for four years and I put plenty of hours on it. Just keeps on ticking!
 

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

Thanks for the input, appreciated.

...and as long as the switch doesnt fail in the controls to shift (VERY EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO FIND....$400.00 if you find it approx) then things should be fine.

I have seen a couple of threads here on how to manufacture your own switch should the original shifter switch go bad. I believe I would go that route if my selector control ever went bad.

One thing I dont know how much comes into play is these hydro-electrics start in forward...? Im not sure I like that BUT I read that they are only in forward for 1 - 2 turns of the shaft or something to that....?

Not quite right. IIRC, The motor defaults to forward gear (no voltage to the shift solenoids). The hydro-electric shift uses motor power to actually pump the foot oil which provides the pressure to shift the motor. Once the motor starts spinning and the shift solenoids have done their bit, it will be in neutral, and thus the motor will start in neutral (although, you are right. Until the proper pressure is built up and it shifts to neutral, the prop is spinning). This has to happen fairly rapidly, because it literally takes a bump of the key to start my 1972 50 HP Evinrude. If for some reason the shift solenoid is NOT working, the motor will default to forward gear but the shift selector still has to be in neutral to disengage the neutral safety switch (I think).

-E
 

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

Thanks for the input, appreciated.

I read further last night (about an hour or two) and what I got out of it all, on average was: As long as you maintain them they work good (any engine standard...) and as long as the switch doesnt fail in the controls to shift (VERY EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO FIND....$400.00 if you find it approx) then things should be fine. So I am still up in the air, going to talk to the fellow in a bit this morning. Apparently though, boat and motor(s) have sat for 5 years... hmmm another piece to the puzzle! :)

One thing I dont know how much comes into play is these hydro-electrics start in forward...? Im not sure I like that BUT I read that they are only in forward for 1 - 2 turns of the shaft or something to that....?

Thanks for any additional input on this!

The price is about $200.00 for the 72 65 HP and another $200.00 for a 69 60HP BOTH with their own controls. Are the parts interchangeable on the 69 and 72?

Thanks!

ChuckNDiscs

It is true that it is in forward at a standstill. However, a properly working unit will go into neutral within a turn or two of the shaft.

1968-69 was 55hp
1970-71 was 60hp
1972-73 was 65hp 1972 was Hydro-Electric, 1973 was Power Shift (no electric).

Interchangeable parts?? Depends. Which part??

There is nothing at all wrong with the Hydro-Electric shift. The problem is lack of maintenance and improper repairs. And shortage / price of some parts. And the bad press that comes every time an abused motor dies. It never is the owner's fault. Yeah, right.

The 65hp motors couldn't stand even a hint of overheating. A problem if it was used in heavy weed-choked waters. Of course, overheating will destroy the best of motors, it's just that the 65 is one of the first to go.

On the other hand, the 65 has a far better ignition system. I'd prefer the 65 if not abused.
 

chuckndiscs

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

Talked to the guy, the 72 65 HP is not hydro- electric according to him, that is why he went to it from the other 69.... could This be right, a 72 65HP Johnson non electric shift????

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Daviet

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

Parts breakdown shows a 1972 as a hydro-electric shift. Have the owner give you the model number and cross check the year.
 

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

It is true that a hydro-electric OMC motor defaults to forward. To me, that is a very handy feature, because if the shift system ever fails while some distance from the ramp or dock, the motor will still get the operator "home."

I agree that the prop will turn a couple of revolutions on startup, but I would clarify the statement by saying that it will do this when running out of water, where there is no resistence to speak of. In the water, I doubt it turns much at all - maybe 1 revolution or less. I own a '72 65hp Johnson and can start the motor in the water while not tied to anything and the boat will not move to any noticeable degree.

The main difference between the '69 motor and the '72 motor is hp and ignition system. As has been pointed out, the '69 is 55hp, while the '72 is 65 hp. More importantly, the '69 has battery-CD ignition, while the '72 has magneto-CD ignition. The latter is a much better ignition system and parts can still be found - both through BRP and aftermarket suppliers (Sierra & CDI). In fact, rumor has it that if BRP is used as a source for these parts, what is supplied will actually be an aftermarket part, but at about twice the price.

Some parts can still be obtained for the battery-CD system, but not all and the number of them is increasing rapidly. For example, the amplifier assembly used to be available, but was very expensive. I just looked at shop.evinrude.com and as of now, its an NLA item. There are also a number of parts related to the distributor system, which have been NLA for quite awhile.

The problem parts on the hydroelectric shift models are the shift switch, the wiring harness that runs through the midsection and the lower solenoid in the gearcase. All are NLA items, but there are "workarounds" for the first two. If a lower solenoid goes, about the only fix is to find an NOS part at a dealer (which is next to impossible to do), or a used part that still works. One trick to staying away from a motor that is likely to have solenoid problems, is to drain the gear oil and look for water in it - water intrusion is what usually causes the solenoids to fail.

All of this said, do not expect to buy a $200 motor, slap it on a boat and enjoy years of trouble free service. If you buy the '72 65hp, you will probably end up replacing a few things either immediately, or soon after you start running the motor. Among those items will most likely be the rectifier, fuel pump, water pump impeller (this should be done immediately), powerpack, timerbase and possibly the stator. A carb rebuild with link-n-sync, is to be expected too.

Personally, I would not touch a battery-CD OMC motor. They are too hard to get parts for and I just think the ignition system was marginal to begin with. The magneto-CD ignition OMCs, are a different matter and the decision on whether or not to buy, is purely a matter of overall condition. I've had my '72 Johnson 65hp for five years and run it extensively. It has been extremely reliable, but I'll make the disclaimer that the first thing that I did when I bought it, is to go through the motor and fix anything that was wrong with it. I also rebuilt the ignition system after a few months of use. That included all new ignition coils, the powerpack and the timerbase.

In summary, the '72 65hp would be the one to consider. If it is in good condition, it could be a great find. If not, it could be a money pit. You'll just have to make an informed decision as to which you believe to be the case.



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rgo3wsp

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Re: 1972 Johnson 65 HP

Does anyone have an operating 4 wire shift switch for sale for this motor?

Thanks,
Bert
 
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